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Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« on: November 26, 2012, 11:30:10 PM »
Not simple basic shulchan oruch questions...  ::)

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 11:40:15 PM »
Do you make lechem mishna when you have only not-whole pieces of bread?

I did when I was stuck.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 11:41:19 PM »
Do you make lechem mishna when you have only not-whole pieces of bread?

I did when I was stuck.

Not simple basic shulchan oruch questions...  ::)
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 11:42:28 PM »
Do you make lechem mishna when you have only not-whole pieces of bread?

I did when I was stuck.
Do you mean "do you make hamoitzy"?

How do you make lechem mishna?

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 11:43:09 PM »
Do you mean "do you make hamoitzy"?

How do you make lechem mishna?
Lechem mishneh and shalem are two separate questions
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 11:43:56 PM »
Do you mean "do you make hamoitzy"?

How do you make lechem mishna?

I figured 2 slices of bread are still zecher lamaan, sholem is a separate din
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 11:46:27 PM »
I don't get it. Your question is if you could use slices instead of shlaimim. What else would you do? Not eat anything?

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 11:47:07 PM »
I don't get it. Your question is if you could use slices instead of shlaimim. What else would you do? Not eat anything?
Just use one?
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 11:49:24 PM »
Why would that be better than two? (In the event that in fact its not good enough for lechem mishna)

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 11:49:44 PM »
Why would that be better than two? (In the event that in fact its not good enough for lechem mishna)
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM »
friday night (in hotel) forgot grape juice better to make kiddush on beer or on the challah?
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2012, 11:53:08 PM »
In general or here? It's a gemara in regards to ptur sucah. Major machlokes haposkim as to why all chumros don't fall under this rhubric

ETA: Hey, I was responding to a question, where'd it go?
« Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 11:57:06 PM by Ergel »
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2012, 11:54:54 PM »
a sukka that you can only use on shabbos and not during the week!!
2 walls and two polls with a string - for shabbos you can carry there and eat - during the week you need 2 walls plus...
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 11:55:12 PM »
I was once in a Shul and the Chazzan skipped ata kaddosh after kedushah and only realized half way through the next beracha (it happened on Shabbos). For an added twist there was no Rabbi that week.

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 02:06:40 AM »
I was once in a Shul and the Chazzan skipped ata kaddosh after kedushah and only realized half way through the next beracha (it happened on Shabbos). For an added twist there was no Rabbi that week.
you should go to shul more often!
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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 04:24:45 AM »
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Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
Conundrum: A riddle whose answer involves an unexpected twist, or an intricate and difficult problem.
In other words:
Not simple basic shulchan oruch questions...  ::)

Whereas, on the other hand:
friday night (in hotel) forgot grape juice better to make kiddush on beer or on the challah?
Challah - as stated in Shulchan Oruch - 272:9 / Shulchan Oruch Harav - 272:11.
I was once in a Shul and the Chazzan skipped ata kaddosh after kedushah and only realized half way through the next beracha (it happened on Shabbos).
Start Shemona Esrey again - very implicit from Shulchan Oruch - 119:3 / explicit in Shulchan Oruch Harav - 114:8.

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 07:16:20 AM »
In Europe we get more and more critics on the sh'chita, so what about the following loophole?

Set up a farm just for ben/bas pekuos, so that they don't require sh'chita, nor do their offspring.

To use the ecological term, I would call it, sustainable killing, ie, I would have shares in a company in an another country where they would shecht 1 animal (the regular way) for every animal I kill.

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 09:27:07 AM »
In Europe we get more and more critics on the sh'chita, so what about the following loophole?
Set up a farm just for ben/bas pekuos, so that they don't require sh'chita, nor do their offspring.
To use the ecological term, I would call it, sustainable killing, ie, I would have shares in a company in an another country where they would shecht 1 animal (the regular way) for every animal I kill.
This creates a lot of interesting new problems:
1. In most situations, a Ben Pekuah needs Shechita Miderabanan, even B'dieved. [Although the Derabnanan status of such a shechita allows for a lot of leniencies - see שמלה חדשה יג:ג.]
2. In purposely breeding cows in order to negate Shechita D'Orayso, you are actively being Mevatel a Mitzvah D'Orayso, which creates interesting Hashkafah issues.
3. If a Ben Pekuah (or its offspring) breed with a regular animal and produce a child, that child is forbidden Min Hatorah, and all its offspring (however diluted) are also forbidden, and Shechita will not help. [שמלה חדשה יג:ו]. By making a ben pekuah common, you run the risk of it breeding with a regular animal, in turn producing a new breed of Kosher animal which cannot be Shechted. Any offspring of this breed would be "dominant", in the sense that they will always disqualify the next generation, regardless of the status of the other parent animal. This could further complicate the Kashrus scene, instead of simplifying it.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 09:38:46 AM by dirah »

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 09:31:38 AM »
guy borrowed a laptop from me years ago he returned it broken and claimed maysah machmas melachah...

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Re: Interesting Actual Halachic conundrums that you experienced
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 09:41:37 AM »
i actually heard of a city who wanted to open a ben pekuah farm so the shechita would be more mehudar