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Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« on: December 11, 2012, 11:19:50 AM »
AFAIK, this isn't well know. It seems that if your flight is delayed to of from Israel, and you reach your destination more than 2 hours after you were scheduled to do so, for flights over 4500km (~2500 miles) you are entitled to 3000 NIS!

Here is the link to the Israeli statement: LINK
Delta's slightly more readable interpretation LINK
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 12:03:34 PM »
AFAIK, this isn't well know. It seems that if your flight is delayed to of from Israel, and you reach your destination more than 2 hours after you were scheduled to do so, for flights over 4500km (~2500 miles) you are entitled to 3000 NIS!

Here is the link to the Israeli statement: LINK
Delta's slightly more readable interpretation LINK
???
it's for delays over 8 hours.  and if you get there within 6 hours of scheduled arrival time it's only 1500

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 12:05:18 PM »
According to your delta link the compensation is if your flight is overbooked and no one volunteers to get bumped and you are the unlucky one to be "denied boarding".

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 12:36:08 PM »
AFAIK, this isn't well know. It seems that if your flight is delayed to of from Israel, and you reach your destination more than 2 hours after you were scheduled to do so, for flights over 4500km (~2500 miles) you are entitled to 3000 NIS!

Here is the link to the Israeli statement: LINK
Delta's slightly more readable interpretation LINK

Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a great find.

Though from a quick look, at least of the DL policy, it seems weather-related cancellations are exempt.

According to your delta link the compensation is if your flight is overbooked and no one volunteers to get bumped and you are the unlucky one to be "denied boarding".

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 01:17:31 PM »
???
it's for delays over 8 hours.  and if you get there within 6 hours of scheduled arrival time it's only 1500
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COMPENSATION
3. [Notified] less than 7 days before the scheduled time of departure and you
were offered re-routing with a departure no more than 1 hour
before the scheduled time of departure and an arrival at your final
destination less than 2 hours after the scheduled time of arrival.
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 01:48:34 PM »
Monetary compensation is also not due if:
1) the cancellation is due to special circumstances which were not under Delta's control even if Delta had done whatever was under its control;
2) the flight was cancelled due to strike or a protected work-by-rule strike; or
3) the flight has been cancelled in order to prevent the desecration of the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday

When is this not the case,
When nobody volunteers to get bumped on a overbooked flight?
Has that ever happened to anybody here?

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 01:52:51 PM »
You're missing something, not sure what
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COMPENSATION
3. [Notified] less than 7 days before the scheduled time of departure and you
were offered re-routing with a departure no more than 1 hour
before the scheduled time of departure and an arrival at your final
destination less than 2 hours after the scheduled time of arrival.
you're not reading it correctly.   that's all only IF the delay is greater than 8 hours, and they did not offer you an alternative route that would get you there within 2 hours of scheduled arrival time, then you'll be compensated.  but it's all based on the premise that your delay is greater than 8 hours.   

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 01:54:23 PM »
Monetary compensation is also not due if:
1) the cancellation is due to special circumstances which were not under Delta's control even if Delta had done whatever was under its control;
2) the flight was cancelled due to strike or a protected work-by-rule strike; or
3) the flight has been cancelled in order to prevent the desecration of the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday

When is this not the case,
When nobody volunteers to get bumped on a overbooked flight?
Has that ever happened to anybody here?

I got bumped 14 hours when the Delta flight arrived late from NY due to a aircraft problem they had in NY. I think that doesn't fall under any of the above criteria. And no, they haven't offered me more than $250 in vouchers and 25K sky-miles. I would absolutely go for 3,000 NIS.
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 01:54:41 PM »
Monetary compensation is also not due if:
1) the cancellation is due to special circumstances which were not under Delta's control even if Delta had done whatever was under its control;
2) the flight was cancelled due to strike or a protected work-by-rule strike; or
3) the flight has been cancelled in order to prevent the desecration of the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday

When is this not the case,
When nobody volunteers to get bumped on a overbooked flight?
Has that ever happened to anybody here?

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 01:55:11 PM »
Are these ever enforced?
Do they have a DOT etc. to file complaints?
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 02:00:48 PM »
I got bumped 14 hours when the Delta flight arrived late from NY due to a aircraft problem they had in NY. I think that doesn't fall under any of the above criteria. And no, they haven't offered me more than $250 in vouchers and 25K sky-miles. I would absolutely go for 3,000 NIS.
read the page... it says you need to file a written request in order to receive the compensation.   make sure the aviation services law in your email.

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2012, 02:07:55 PM »
read the page... it says you need to file a written request in order to receive the compensation.   make sure the aviation services law in your email.
Doubted that'll work now. it's over a year since then.
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 02:47:00 PM »
Doubted that'll work now. it's over a year since then.
this law only came into effect this past august, so it definitely will not help you for that

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Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 08:42:52 PM »
I'm on Elal 002 was scheduled to leave at 7pm from JFK,
technical problems with the door......

They're actually serving the meal now while we're at the gate, which tells me we're still gonna be here a while,
My question is how long are they allowed to keep us on the plane without disembarking?

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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2014, 09:22:25 AM »
My parents had a flight that was TLV -FRA and Frankfurt onward to the US. Only their second flight was cancelled.  They were obviously rebooked. Are they entitled to any compensation under Israeli law or EU law?
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2014, 11:21:37 AM »
Why was the flight canceled? How long were they delayed?
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2014, 11:23:15 AM »
Lufthansa strike. Which it seems according to EU isn't covered. Darn.
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2015, 01:42:07 AM »
A friend of mine was scheduled on UA91 last night, the flight was canceled and he was rebooked for a flight 12 hours later, how can I go in requesting Monetary compensation?
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2015, 01:43:47 AM »
Why was it cancelled?
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Re: Very strict Israeli Airline laws?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2015, 01:45:06 AM »
Why was it cancelled?
That much I know  ;)

Due to aircraft maintenance.
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