Guns Master Thread

[JTZ]

I'm curious what the oilem here thinks about how old you would let a son or a daughter start learning to shoot. Different for boys and girls?

Oh, and the reason I am posting on this thread is because I am curious what kind of gun you would start a kid with. Obviously it cannot be something that will fly out of his hand. I also have a feeling that nobody should fire a weapon that they themselves don't know how to take care of.

Start early and you can always use a .22
Don't worry about flying out of their hands. DW is not that strong and shoots a SW629 like it was a .22

[JTZ]

Plus 17 bullets is far better than 8...

What the hell are you guys shooting at? Maybe rename this thread "members that should not own a gun." 

[jj1000]

What the hell are you guys shooting at? Maybe rename this thread "members that should not own a gun." 

Glad you decided what is right and wrong and who the constitution applies to. Your comments here are ridiculous.

How many people do you plan on mugging you? Do you know it will just be 1, 2, or 3? Do you know the accuracy of a trained police officer in a real life shootout? With 8 bullets maybe 1 hits the mark...

Seriously statistically a police office will hit his mark about 1.5 times with 8 shots in a shootout. So run your logic by me one more time.

[JTZ]

Of course my comments are ridicules. Coming from someone who needs 17 shots I will consider the source. 
A police shooting and a mugging are two different things. If someone try's and mug a police officer and he misses then he should not own a gun.
Out of curiosity how many hours/courses of self defensive training with a firearm have you had?

[jj1000]

Out of curiosity how many hours/courses of self defensive training with a firearm have you had?

I am not the one telling people who should and should not own a gun. I believe in the constitution...

You casually avoided all of my points, and asked an irrelevant question.

So the only reason you are carrying is to protect you from one person or two people mugging you? But if there are 4 muggers, or it's a shootout you are in middle of, or a terrorist attack etc... you don't care to be prepared?

I'm not saying everyone needs 17 bullets, I'm saying all things equal someone who has 17 is better off than someone with 8 in many cases. Not sure how you can argue with that.

[Aaaron]

Out of curiosity how many hours/courses of self defensive training with a firearm have you had?

Hundreds, with tens of thousands of rounds down the pipe.

I'm still curious what trained professional taught you not to keep one in the chamber for your daily carry.

[chucksterace]

Status update. Going with the Springfield XD mod 2.

[Aaaron]

Status update. Going with the Springfield XD mod 2.

Nice.  Which barrel?

Have you picked out some holsters yet?

[JTZ]

I'm still curious what trained professional taught you not to keep one in the chamber for your daily carry.

Where did I say that?

[lfas25]

Glad you decided what is right and wrong and who the constitution applies to. Your comments here are ridiculous.

How many people do you plan on mugging you? Do you know it will just be 1, 2, or 3? Do you know the accuracy of a trained police officer in a real life shootout? With 8 bullets maybe 1 hits the mark...

Seriously statistically a police office will hit his mark about 1.5 times with 8 shots in a shootout. So run your logic by me one more time.

Don't go the police officer route...
Most cops are not a good shot... Unless they are on a specialized sniper or swat team then they may be better, but for the most part cops have horrible aim.

[JTZ]

I am not the one telling people who should and should not own a gun. I believe in the constitution...

You casually avoided all of my points, and asked an irrelevant question.

So the only reason you are carrying is to protect you from one person or two people mugging you? But if there are 4 muggers, or it's a shootout you are in middle of, or a terrorist attack etc... you don't care to be prepared?

I'm not saying everyone needs 17 bullets, I'm saying all things equal someone who has 17 is better off than someone with 8 in many cases. Not sure how you can argue with that.

I carry for protection. I can't envision being in a shoot out or a terrorist attack. I do have other guns for those situations.

Lets address your mugging situation. Lets say you are attacked by four muggers. If they all have guns no amount of bullets will help you out. Lets say they all have knives. If you are forced to shoot the first one then probably one of two things will happen. The other three will run away or the other three will also attack you. Either way you don't need 17 rounds.

Just because you have a right to own a gun doesn't mean everyone should.

[JTZ]

Don't go the police officer route...
Most cops are not a good shot... Unless they are on a specialized sniper or swat team then they may be better, but for the most part cops have horrible aim.

He is comparing shootout situations with muggings that take place at close range. No comparison between the two of them.

[Aaaron]

Where did I say that?

You stated that I and the people I know shouldn't carry because we keep one in the chamber. The implication being that you're well-trained in proper carry methods and etiquette. I was just wondering where you got the training.

To clarify, everyone I've trained with is either current or ex LEO/military and every single one says to keep one in the chamber and leave the safety off. Or better yet, don't buy a carry gun with an external safety.

[JTZ]

You assumed I meant that instead of asking me. The part I disagree with you is the part about the safety because I assumed everyone you know did not have hours of professional training. New school says you don't need to keep the safety on because in the heat of battle you might forget about it. I am old school and say 100% BS.

[chucksterace]

Nice.  Which barrel?

Have you picked out some holsters yet?

3" Barrel. Looking at the Blackhawk Sherpa holster.

[chevron]

Generally people carry guns because of UNKNOWN dangers.. anything from the living dead to a chinese invasion to a mob or a terrorist attack etc

You could get lost or car breaks down and attacked by 1 or 2 thugs and more show up

A terror attack is sadly a real danger

Being attacked by a dog / dogs could require using a lot of bullets

Who cares why ? whatever makes you feel safe and is legal.. and your pants dont fall down WTF do I care what people carry.

I carry the threat of swift justice and holly hell.. No guns or me till I get surgery on my hand, I cant draw well etc

I'm a 1911 type person with pure .45 firepower truth is I cant even remember the ballistics and velocity on the grain and FPS

[ShlockDoc]

I am not the one telling people who should and should not own a gun. I believe in the constitution...

The Constitution does not say that everyone should own a gun. It doesn't even say that everyone can.

[grodnoking]

The Constitution does not say that everyone should own a gun. It doesn't even say that everyone can.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[chevron]

The Constitution does not say that everyone should own a gun. It doesn't even say that everyone can.

read the federalist and anti federalist papers

[afro]

I don't own a gun but me and my rebetzin go shooting often. I would get a gun as I"m petrified of a "Walking Dead" matzav.