Guns Master Thread

[as2]

Gotcha, I didn't realize just owning a gun for your home was so hard in NYC, I thought a carry permit was impossible.

Fwiu shot guns are easier in NY, maybe talk to an expert if they would help for a mass shooting in a shul or not.

Long guns are typically easier to obtain, but unless open carry is allowed, you can't really carry one. Also, I don't think a shotgun in a crowded shul is a good idea...

I know a shul that has a safe and a few members keep guns there. They pick them up on their way in and put them back on their way out.

Sounds nice and all, but I would never leave my gun in a public location, even if it's in a safe.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Sounds nice and all, but I would never leave my gun in a public location, even if it's in a safe.

That's almost as bad as lending your gun to someone.

[jj1000]

That's almost as bad as lending your gun to someone.

If it's a big enough safe, everyone can have their own locked case inside the safe...

Long guns are typically easier to obtain, but unless open carry is allowed, you can't really carry one.

You can't carry indoors, inside a shul?

[as2]

If it's a big enough safe, everyone can have their own locked case inside the safe...
You can't carry indoors, inside a shul?

That's where it starts to get more complicated. All those laws vary by county/state, and are essential knowledge to have before carrying. Typically, if you legally own a gun, you can carry it however you please within your private residence. That will vary by location, and those terms may. Be defined differently in each location.

[grodnoking]

If it's a big enough safe, everyone can have their own locked case inside the safe...
You can't carry indoors, inside a shul?

That's where it starts to get more complicated. All those laws vary by county/state, and are essential knowledge to have before carrying. Typically, if you legally own a gun, you can carry it however you please within your private residence. That will vary by location, and those terms may. Be defined differently in each location.

As in NJ: A Regular gun license will just get  you a permit for you to keep in house, work, and range. You can drive it between them BUT YOU CANT STOP ANYWHERE ON THE WAY, YOU MUST GO DIRECTLY, NOT EVEN GAS.

[12HRS]

I have no idea what the connection is...

One makes life, one ends life?

Thought you were asking about backlash

[jj1000]

Thought you were asking about backlash

Who hates pregnancy tests?

If you asked about certain birth prevention products vs guns I'd get the connection, but a pregnancy test? What's the controversy?

[as2]

As in NJ: A Regular gun license will just get  you a permit for you to keep in house, work, and range. You can drive it between them BUT YOU CANT STOP ANYWHERE ON THE WAY, YOU MUST GO DIRECTLY, NOT EVEN GAS.

And if I had to guess, when transporting, firearm and ammunition need to be kept in separate cases. Here in IL, we can transport, but if you're not certified to carry, it cannot be loaded and must be packed separately when transporting.

[as2]

Who hates pregnancy tests?

Half the south side of Chicago...

[jj1000]

Half the south side of Chicago...

I'm lost.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I'm lost.

I think there is a joke somewhere there but I don't get it.

[as2]

I'm lost.

I think there is a joke somewhere there but I don't get it.

Never mind.

[lfas25]

defibrillator + gun combo kit

You left out the fire extinguisher 

[grodnoking]

Who hates pregnancy tests?

If you asked about certain birth prevention products vs guns I'd get the connection, but a pregnancy test? What's the controversy?

Posts that trigger people. The yeshivish guy checking Dan's deals on his wife's iPhone will get triggered by pregnancy tests, and the  26 year old liberal millennial crying how guns are the root of all evil.

[grodnoking]

You left out the fire extinguisher

Everyone (hopefully) has that already.
Defibrillators most shuls are getting now.

[Dr Moose]

I know a shul that has a safe and a few members keep guns there. They pick them up on their way in and put them back on their way out.

I'm going to assume it's because of the lack of an eiruv maybe. Can't imagine any other reason why someone would leave their gun in a place others can get to.

[Yonah]

I'm going to assume it's because of the lack of an eiruv maybe. Can't imagine any other reason why someone would leave their gun in a place others can get to.

I would imagine that in general, a gun is considered Muktzah on Shabbos, and if you have a heter to carry one for pikuach nefesh, it would also extend to carrying on shabbos - but I'm no halachic authority.

It's also possible, that their permits technically require their guns to be in a lock box.

[as2]

I would imagine that in general, a gun is considered Muktzah on Shabbos, and if you have a heter to carry one for pikuach nefesh, it would also extend to carrying on shabbos - but I'm no halachic authority.

It's also possible, that their permits technically require their guns to be in a lock box.

Maybe, but just because you have a heter to protect the shul, you may not have a heter to handle it outside of shul. No halachic basis, just speaking my mind.

[jj1000]

I would imagine that in general, a gun is considered Muktzah on Shabbos, and if you have a heter to carry one for pikuach nefesh, it would also extend to carrying on shabbos - but I'm no halachic authority.

Some poskim hold it's not muktza at all, as it is a kli she’melachto l’heter. But everyone agrees carrying is not allowed, unless it's pikuach nefesh.

In short it's a machlokes, the muktza machlokes is more meikel, so talk to your rav.

[avromie7]

Maybe, but just because you have a heter to protect the shul, you may not have a heter to handle it outside of shul. No halachic basis, just speaking my mind.

It's in an area with an eruv, but this is what the Rabbi told them to do.