Author Topic: Guns Master Thread (Read 137227 times)

ShlockDoc · « **Reply #320 on:** October 01, 2015, 07:00:44 PM »

Quote from: David Smith on October 01, 2015, 06:57:10 PM

And you're calling ME selectively deaf?!

CM is right. If anything, he placed the blame squarely on the NRA and congress. It was both the Rs and the Ds that blocked his legislative push after Sandy Hook.

David Smith · « **Reply #321 on:** October 01, 2015, 07:06:39 PM »

Quote from: ShlockDoc on October 01, 2015, 07:00:44 PM

CM is right. If anything, he placed the blame squarely on the NRA and congress. It was both the Rs and the Ds that blocked his legislative push after Sandy Hook.

That's what I meant. He utilized the opportunity to blame his opponents.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #322 on:** October 01, 2015, 07:41:17 PM »

As usual, The Onion nails it in their headline:

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-51444?

zale · « **Reply #323 on:** October 01, 2015, 09:56:27 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 01, 2015, 06:47:33 PM

That something has to be done or expect the same thing every few months. That even gun owners understand something has to be done.

Nothing can be done. I have never seen a detailed plan to successfully get guns out of the hands of criminals. Every plan put forth by anti-gun advocates is vague and useless. When I see a logical plan put forward on the table I will embrace and support it.

"Gun free zones" are a direct result of anti-gun advocates. How's that working out? Gun free cities have more gun violence than cities where you can buy guns in a vending machine.

Almost all mass murderers appear perfectly normal when they do their gun shopping and many times have an immaculate record.

Yammer · « **Reply #324 on:** October 01, 2015, 11:38:42 PM »

Quote from: David Smith on October 01, 2015, 07:06:39 PM

That's what I meant. He utilized the opportunity to blame his opponents.

Without getting into the Gun issue, you are 100% right.

POTUS utilizes these events for his political agendas.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #325 on:** October 02, 2015, 12:33:54 AM »

Quote from: Yammer on October 01, 2015, 11:38:42 PM

POTUS utilizes these events for his political agendas.

What political agenda does he have at this point. You and others spew this BS because you disagree with him.

ShlockDoc · « **Reply #326 on:** October 02, 2015, 12:37:55 AM »

Well this is interesting. I can't imagine the emotions involved so I can't judge the guy, but if he had the training and equipment to stop the massacre and didn't, he shouldn't be so proud in his interviews.

https://twitter.com/csgv/status/649776113619746816

Emkay · « **Reply #327 on:** October 02, 2015, 03:26:27 AM »

Quote from: zale on October 01, 2015, 05:00:57 PM

I'm doubling down on my earlier statement. If Thomas Jefferson were able to see into the future he would have put an expiration date on the 2nd Ammendment.

http://q13fox.com/2015/10/01/reports-shooter-at-oregon-community-college-mutiple-fatalities-reported/

Sorry gun lovers.

What does Jefferson have to do with it?

zale · « **Reply #328 on:** October 02, 2015, 08:40:10 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on October 02, 2015, 03:26:27 AM

What does Jefferson have to do with it?

The "Founding Fathers". The Constitution had several authors, Jefferson was one of them.

noturbizniss · « **Reply #329 on:** October 02, 2015, 09:17:59 AM »

Quote from: ShlockDoc on October 02, 2015, 12:37:55 AM

Well this is interesting. I can't imagine the emotions involved so I can't judge the guy, but if he had the training and equipment to stop the massacre and didn't, he shouldn't be so proud in his interviews.

https://twitter.com/csgv/status/649776113619746816

From the twitter feed there are implcations he was in the area, not near the active shooter. If that's the case then he woul dbe an idiot to go looking to be a hero.

jaywhy · « **Reply #330 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:08:09 PM »

Quote from: ShlockDoc on October 02, 2015, 12:37:55 AM

Well this is interesting. I can't imagine the emotions involved so I can't judge the guy, but if he had the training and equipment to stop the massacre and didn't, he shouldn't be so proud in his interviews.

https://twitter.com/csgv/status/649776113619746816

The facts on that are very sparse but it seems he did the right thing.
If he wasn't anywhere near the shooter, it would be a very bad idea to go looking for him especially once SWAT had already responded. He could easily have been mistaken as the shooter and targeted by SWAT.

henche · « **Reply #331 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:14:11 PM »

Quote from: jaywhy on October 02, 2015, 01:08:09 PM

The facts on that are very sparse but it seems he did the right thing.
If he wasn't anywhere near the shooter, it would be a very bad idea to go looking for him especially once SWAT had already responded. He could easily have been mistaken as the shooter and targeted by SWAT.

Yeah, I doubt he thought of that excuse until afterwards. At the time, I bet he only thought he didn't want to get shot by the shooter.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #332 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:16:16 PM »

So much for arming citizens to stop gun violence.

henche · « **Reply #333 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:17:58 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 02, 2015, 01:16:16 PM

So much for arming citizens to stop gun violence.

Nobody said to arm liberals. Now arming the ex-military dude who was shot 7 times trying to tackle the shooter, that may have been a good idea.

jaywhy · « **Reply #334 on:** October 02, 2015, 01:21:20 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 02, 2015, 01:16:16 PM

So much for arming citizens to stop gun violence.

I don't think that defeats the argument.
I imagine if him and his group of CCW vets were in the same building as the shooter, the outcome would've been different.
It's just stupid for a CCW holder to go looking for an heavily armed active shooter with SWAT already deploying.