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Do You Own A Gun

Of Course
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I plan on getting one eventually
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I used to
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #640 on: October 02, 2017, 05:45:38 PM »
You would also have a ton of road rage as one example then would end up in a shoot out.

What is the requirement/training in Israel to carry a weapon? Here there is basically zero!!!
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #641 on: October 02, 2017, 05:45:52 PM »
His being on the 32nd floor would make it difficult for that to have been effective here.
Steyr SSG 69 and one shot and it is over. How many own one of those?  ;)
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #642 on: October 02, 2017, 05:46:27 PM »
Three years in the army...
Good start.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #643 on: October 02, 2017, 05:48:14 PM »
His being on the 32nd floor would make it difficult for that to have been effective here.

Isn't that what I wrote?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #644 on: October 02, 2017, 05:50:31 PM »
You would also have a ton of road rage as one example then would end up in a shoot out.

What is the requirement/training in Israel to carry a weapon? Here there is basically zero!!!

Okay, so you want to argue for tougher gun restrictions or tougher requirements to get guns?
If you have a mental illness you shouldn't be able to get a gun. I think we can all agree on that.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #645 on: October 02, 2017, 05:53:49 PM »
Isn't that what I wrote?
I wasn't disagreeing.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #646 on: October 02, 2017, 05:54:01 PM »
Okay, so you want to argue for tougher gun restrictions or tougher requirements to get guns?
You can also start with common sense things like high capacity magazines. Look you are talking to a gun nut. I can't find one good reason we need high capacity magazines.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #647 on: October 02, 2017, 05:56:00 PM »
Steyr SSG 69 and one shot and it is over. How many own one of those?  ;)
That doesn't look very practical to carry around and bring to a concert. There is also more of an accuracy issue at that distance.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #648 on: October 02, 2017, 05:57:25 PM »
You can also start with common sense things like high capacity magazines. Look you are talking to a gun nut. I can't find one good reason we need high capacity magazines.

What do you consider "high capacity" and what's the max capacity?

Also out of curiosity - what capacity did the shooter have?
And how many shots did fire? If I had to guess I'd say 1500 probably more.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #649 on: October 02, 2017, 05:58:01 PM »
You can also start with common sense things like high capacity magazines. Look you are talking to a gun nut. I can't find one good reason we need high capacity magazines.
The issue is that the gun control proponents openly say that it would be just the first step and will want to add more each opportunity. On the other hand the gun clingers ideologically feel that there should be zero restrictions.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #650 on: October 02, 2017, 05:58:11 PM »
That doesn't look very practical to carry around and bring to a concert. There is also more of an accuracy issue at that distance.
Maybe, but you usually pull your finger off the trigger for a sec or 2 when you get return fire. Then again, this wasn't a normal guy...
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #651 on: October 02, 2017, 05:59:19 PM »
Maybe, but you usually pull your finger off the trigger for a sec or 2 when you get return fire. Then again, this wasn't a normal guy...
I assume you were discussing the accuracy question. My concern was that at such a distance it can hit someone in a neighboring room.
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« Reply #652 on: October 02, 2017, 05:59:53 PM »
I assume you were discussing the accuracy question. My concern was that at such a distance it can hit someone in a neighboring room.
A worthwhile risk...
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #653 on: October 02, 2017, 06:00:17 PM »
I can't find one good reason we need high capacity magazines.
1. Define high capacity.
2. Why would anybody need any gun or magazine?

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #654 on: October 02, 2017, 06:02:46 PM »
What do you consider "high capacity" and what's the max capacity?

Also out of curiosity - what capacity did the shooter have?
And how many shots did fire? If I had to guess I'd say 1500 probably more.
When you are talking semi auto and full auto, it's 2 different worlds. My semi auto holds 12+1, and I'm not sure why you would need more than that. If you are more protective, carry extra clips. There are belts and drums, and when you add that to a full auto firearm, it gets crazy.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #655 on: October 02, 2017, 06:05:30 PM »


1. Define high capacity.
2. Why would anybody need any gun or magazine?

HCM is defined differently depending on where you are.

I can list multiple reasons, but all are arguable. You don't "need" a car, but many would say they do. It's all relative to the individual and their opinion. I own a gun, but respect those who wouldn't. I feel no reason to push people to get a gun. My beliefs are mine and others are their own.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #656 on: October 02, 2017, 06:08:59 PM »
1. Define high capacity.
2. Why would anybody need any gun or magazine?
1 - lets start with 20 rounds for a rifle.
2 - personal protection, hunting, target shooting
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« Reply #657 on: October 02, 2017, 06:09:34 PM »
I assume you were discussing the accuracy question. My concern was that at such a distance it can hit someone in a neighboring room.
They say how far it was?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #658 on: October 02, 2017, 06:10:31 PM »
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #659 on: October 02, 2017, 06:10:36 PM »
They say how far it was?
Well the height alone was 32 stories, that's without any distance from the actual building...
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