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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #660 on: October 02, 2017, 06:11:27 PM »
That doesn't look very practical to carry around and bring to a concert. There is also more of an accuracy issue at that distance.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #661 on: October 02, 2017, 06:19:41 PM »
The middle of the concert is 1180 feet away from the bottom of the hotel. It was also 32 stories high, so approximately 320 feet.
I don't know the math to combine those numbers but obviously it was far.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #662 on: October 02, 2017, 06:27:57 PM »
Probably 400 yards, ouch.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #663 on: October 02, 2017, 06:29:14 PM »
The middle of the concert is 1180 feet away from the bottom of the hotel. It was also 32 stories high, so approximately 320 feet.
I don't know the math to combine those numbers but obviously it was far.
At that distance, the average person without a sniper rifle, is going to be shooting blindly in the general direction of the suspect. The only good that would possibly come from it, would be that he would stop shooting and take cover. Being that he was ready to die, it may not have deterred him at all.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #664 on: October 02, 2017, 06:30:48 PM »
Probably 400 yards, ouch.
With a 32 story incline, so gravity is against you. Not a fun shot unless you are on another building
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #665 on: October 02, 2017, 06:40:46 PM »
At those numbers 1222 ft
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #666 on: October 02, 2017, 06:45:27 PM »
At those numbers 1222 ft

Just curious what's the math?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #667 on: October 02, 2017, 06:49:45 PM »
I don't know the math to combine those numbers but obviously it was far.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #668 on: October 02, 2017, 06:50:18 PM »

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #669 on: October 02, 2017, 08:23:14 PM »
I can't find one good reason we need high capacity magazines.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #670 on: October 02, 2017, 08:34:02 PM »
Tyranical governments. You have the good fortune of not having relatives murdered by a government, I assume.

20 years before the holocaust Germany was as democratic and accepting of Jews as America is today...
That would be a valid argument for not banning guns but makes no sense in the HCM discussion.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #671 on: October 02, 2017, 08:38:00 PM »
but makes no sense in the HCM discussion.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #672 on: October 02, 2017, 08:49:08 PM »
That would be a valid argument for not banning guns but makes no sense in the HCM discussion.
Serious question, ever watched movies about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising?

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #673 on: October 02, 2017, 08:58:42 PM »
Serious question, ever watched movies about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising?

Do you think they wanted the few revolvers they had or wished they had AR's with 30 or more round mags/machine guns...

I know you can argue there is no end, but it's a serious question.
Never watched the movies but didn't they burn the whole town?
Yes HCM would have helped their cause but it would not have changed the outcome.
If you are serious about fighting off a government HCM will be like throwing more toothpicks.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #674 on: October 02, 2017, 09:04:23 PM »
Never watched the movies but didn't they burn the whole town?
Yes HCM would have helped their cause but it would not have changed the outcome.
If you are serious about fighting off a government HCM will be like throwing more toothpicks.
They fought for a few days thanks to the few guns they did have.

This is a common argument that when it comes to going against the government guns or HCM won't help.

First of all if ever Jew had an AR with a HCM in Germany I can guarantee you it would have helped...

But how about telling that to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda they have been fighting the US government for over 15 years now and they are not winning any wars but not so shabby with not much more than some HCM... Also you'd have factions of the military I hope rebelling against the government etc, hcm give you the ability to fight back with them. I really don't mean to sound like this is a possibility or something we need to prepare for or anything like that (honestly @FBI this is just an internet argument), but to say that there isn't one good reason, this is your reason.
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« Reply #675 on: October 02, 2017, 09:09:50 PM »
How about we agree you think it is a good reason because you feel it could be a difference maker and I feel it would not make and difference.
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« Reply #676 on: October 02, 2017, 09:11:14 PM »
How about we agree you think it is a good reason because you feel it could be a difference maker and I feel it would not make and difference.
If there is a large enough group who feel it is a difference maker, and the idea isn't absurd, that is a reason for it to be on the table.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #677 on: October 02, 2017, 09:24:48 PM »
How about we agree you think it is a good reason because you feel it could be a difference maker and I feel it would not make and difference.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #678 on: October 02, 2017, 09:38:51 PM »
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #679 on: October 02, 2017, 09:46:40 PM »
https://twitter.com/calebkeeter/status/914872808110510080
This exact point is quite arguable. Just because this one (extremely unique) case, wouldn't have been impacted by more people with guns, doesn't mean the idea is incorrect. While I also believe that this case would have been in no way impacted of there had been total gun control. Bottom line is, crazy is crazy. People find a way to get done what they want to get done. If it's not a gun, it's a car. It will unfortunately always be something.
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