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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #780 on: October 04, 2017, 02:03:52 PM »
The one side always says that won't work but has no idea what will.
Exactly.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #781 on: October 04, 2017, 02:04:58 PM »
Take out the sequence of events, and the numbers are just like a few weekends in Chicago.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #782 on: October 04, 2017, 02:07:09 PM »
Side point, but I've seen many articles etc over the years by people who started out anti-gun/pro gun control but after doing research on the matter and seeing all the data have become anti gun control. For example the one somebody posted above from the Washington Post. I have yet to single person who made the switch the other way based on looking at the data. (Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough and there people out there, but I haven't seen them so far.)

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #783 on: October 04, 2017, 02:07:41 PM »
But if it won't work then there is still no point. I agree with your point about the problem with the discussion.
Only a fool, idiot, liar or all three believes if this shooter didn't have HCM's or bump stocks it wouldn't have made a difference.

Simple question for everyone. Is the standard issue assault rifle for the US military full auto capable?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #784 on: October 04, 2017, 02:08:35 PM »
Take out the sequence of events, and the numbers are just like a few weekends in Chicago.
You live in Chicago so what would the numbers be if they all had full auto weapons?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #785 on: October 04, 2017, 02:10:37 PM »
You live in Chicago so what would the numbers be if they all had full auto weapons?
You live in Chicago, and you think they don't already have full auto?
Honestly, in Chicago these guys are stupid. It's not an experienced planned attack. It's a drive by. It's a mow down. It's a bullet between the eyes. I do believe that the numbers would be far greater, but I do know that there is no shortage of full autos on Chicagos streets.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #786 on: October 04, 2017, 02:12:55 PM »
The ones in the middle who understand there is no practical use for HCM and bump stocks among other things get lost in the discussion.
I don't think those two should be lumped together.

Is there anyone out there who agrees with the regulations on full auto guns but thinks bump stocks should not be regulated.

It seems most people (you and me included) have not heard of bump stocks before yesterday. I'd say the odds of them remaining unregulated for much longer is very slim.

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #787 on: October 04, 2017, 02:14:43 PM »
You live in Chicago, and you think they don't already have full auto?
Very few and most of those few are POS. The numbers would be hundred times worse if they were all walking around with full auto AR's and you know it.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #788 on: October 04, 2017, 02:17:35 PM »
I don't think those two should be lumped together.
I have owned guns my whole life. When would anyone ever need a hundred round magazine? Would you trust your life on one these operating properly and not jamming?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #789 on: October 04, 2017, 02:18:24 PM »
Simple question for everyone. Is the standard issue assault rifle for the US military full auto capable?
I may be wrong but I think it's 3 round bursts.

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #790 on: October 04, 2017, 02:19:03 PM »
Only a fool, idiot, liar or all three believes if this shooter didn't have HCM's or bump stocks it wouldn't have made a difference.

Simple question for everyone. Is the standard issue assault rifle for the US military full auto capable?
I would have no idea
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #791 on: October 04, 2017, 02:20:07 PM »
Very few and most of those few are POS. The numbers would be hundred times worse if they were all walking around with full auto AR's and you know it.
They're not walking around with ARs period.
Last I checked the vast vast majority of gun crimes were with handguns.

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #792 on: October 04, 2017, 02:23:03 PM »
They're not walking around with ARs period.
Last I checked the vast vast majority of gun crimes were with handguns.
Yes you are correct. So what is the solution to keep hand guns out of the criminals hands? Anything I say will be "it doesn't work" so lets here your solution.
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #793 on: October 04, 2017, 02:23:49 PM »
I would have no idea
I may be wrong but I think it's 3 round bursts.
Now ask yourself why?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #794 on: October 04, 2017, 02:24:13 PM »
I thought we weren't doing hakafos for another week?

Only a fool, idiot, liar or all three believes if this shooter didn't have HCM's or bump stocks it wouldn't have made a difference.
to make policy based on mass shootings --which are a tiny fraction of a percent of all gun deaths-- is just ridiculous.

I have owned guns my whole life. When would anyone ever need a hundred round magazine? Would you trust your life on one these operating properly and not jamming?
Although the truth is, I'm not sure there's even a real argument here. When you say HCM you're talking about >20 round capacity. When the gun grabbers talk about HCM they're talking about >5-7 rounds.

Using the baseline of 20 rounds (I would say 30 rounds, but that's a side issue) I would agree there's probably no need for higher capacity. (for a rifle, not talking machine guns) In fact, AFAIK nobody serious uses them for life and death situations as they're far too unreliable/prone to jamming.
In fact, CMIIW, but if you make it through a whole 100 round drum without it jamming you'll be stuck with an overheated rifle.

But of course by the same reasoning for why they're unnecessary you can argue that banning them won't really help anything. How many of these shooters actually used HCMs (>20-30, not >5-7)  effectively?

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #795 on: October 04, 2017, 02:24:49 PM »
That would be to many hand guns available to the criminals. So what is your solution for that?

Criminals isn't even the biggest problem, it's suicide.  I'm not sure how to take a chunk out of that but it would be helpful if the concern of the world and the accompanying resources would be directed to that.   

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #796 on: October 04, 2017, 02:25:51 PM »
Now ask yourself why?
I believe because in most circumstances 3 round bursts are more effective, you get much more bang for your buck.

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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #797 on: October 04, 2017, 02:27:59 PM »
I thought we weren't doing hakafos for another week?
Still waiting for one common sense approach from any of you.
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« Reply #798 on: October 04, 2017, 02:30:47 PM »
I seen a couple of reports of .308 rounds. What weapon was he using for that?
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Re: Guns Master Thread
« Reply #799 on: October 04, 2017, 02:36:33 PM »
They're not walking around with ARs period.
Last I checked the vast vast majority of gun crimes were with handguns.
Handguns come in full auto too, although they aren't as common.
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