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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 02:08:01 PM »
Bumping an old thread, can anyone help me with the process of giving up Israeli citizenship

would be interested in this as well.

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 02:40:35 PM »
Never knew about this thread. It was cool to read just to see what @CBC was like before the man became a DDF legend.

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 03:06:08 PM »
Never knew about this thread. It was cool to read just to see what @CBC was like before the man became a DDF legend.
A little like this post.

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 03:08:21 PM »
A little like this post.

Someone once said, if you want to understand what a DDFer is really like, you have to look at his very first post. It's a lot of fun actually.

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 05:54:46 PM »
So has anyone been through the process of revoking citizenship ?

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2018, 09:25:32 PM »
For the record, a revoked citizen can have a big problem getting a student visa in Israel.
Bumping an old thread. I am looking to cancel the Israeli citizenship of my 5 year old son born in Israel. Firstly can anyone confirm the above comment? Does Israel not give a student visa to an American citizen that canceled his original Israeli citizenship?
2) Secondly, even if the above is true, I assume that a ~20 year old boy going to be a student in Israel that did not cancel his Israeli citizenship would not be in any better position. Is that accurate?
Thank you

PS Has anyone been down this road of canceling an Israeli citizenship in New York that knows of any askan or someone who knows the system and can provide accurate information on how to get it done?

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2018, 12:58:13 AM »
Can I ask why you want to do this?

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2018, 07:32:36 AM »
Can I ask why you want to do this?
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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2018, 08:36:52 AM »
Can I ask why you want to do this?
i see no advantages to having the citizenship, only potential complications. There are no benefits to it that a regular American citizen doesn't have and every time I try to enter israel they make me crazy about getting a teuhdat zehut. Also there can be issues in the future with the army.
Is there any reason to keep it?

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2018, 03:51:35 PM »
I'm living in Israel for 10 years as an American citizen, and don't have any plan on ever making citizenship. Too many potential problems, and I can get almost all the benefits with a student visa that Israeli citizens can get.  You can even get a student visa with permission to work (a new thing from 5 years ago), so anyone who learns part time can really get a student visa.

There is no reason to keep it, except for some minor things like free tourist visa for Israelis to russia vs. the $180 fee for US citizens. You can always reapply for citizenship if you ever move to Israel and want it. See

http://www.coolideaz.com/2015/08/citizenship-be-gone.html

He describes the whole process and his experience renouncing citizenship. I recommend doing it ASAP, since the government is actively trying to force chareidi draft, through stages, and may make it much more difficult to renounce in the future. Also , each renouncement application has to be reviewed by the Minister of the Interior, currently Aryeh Deri, who I would not expect to be too stubborn about it. The government and ministers may change soon.

"For the record, a revoked citizen can have a big problem getting a student visa in Israel." Nonsense, I never heard of any problem like that.

There may be a misunderstanding between "revoked" and "renouncing". A person whose citizenship is revoked is usually due to terrorism, etc., and can understandably have problems getting a visa. Though I hope nobody here has that problem!

Renouncing is declaring the want not to be a citizen, for instance, due to permanent residence being abroad without any plan of coming back as a citizen.
This would not be interpreted as hostile to Israel, so there should be no problem getting a student visa, to the contrary, Israel would want to issue a visa, hoping that the student will settle in israel and eventually want to become a citizen again.

Is your son really an Israeli citizen or was he just born in israel to foreign parents? A child born to foreign parents does not get automatic citizenship. This is how the law has been for about 20 years.

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2018, 03:57:19 PM »
ok so while we are in this thread. i am an israeli citizen and will be entering on my israeli passport. my wife is not and will be entering on her american passport (same name). do i need to get my son an israeli passport or just have him enter on the american side with his american passport. potential ramification being a need to get a passport for him while on the trip.
Why donít you let your wife and kid go through the American side and you go through the Israeli side?
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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2018, 06:35:49 PM »
Bumping an old thread. I am looking to cancel the Israeli citizenship of my 5 year old son born in Israel. Firstly can anyone confirm the above comment? Does Israel not give a student visa to an American citizen that canceled his original Israeli citizenship?
2) Secondly, even if the above is true, I assume that a ~20 year old boy going to be a student in Israel that did not cancel his Israeli citizenship would not be in any better position. Is that accurate?
Thank you
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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 01:41:21 AM »
If you don't live in Israel there's no problem with the army even if you learn there.
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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2018, 05:29:36 PM »
Is this the right place to ask about SHVIGER ramifications in general?  :P

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Re: my wife's mother{SHVIGGER} is Israeli citizen, ramifications?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 05:50:55 PM »
Both of my parents are Israeli and I got a student visa. Never registered as an Israeli and never renounced citizenship