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Re: Re: Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #240 on: January 06, 2013, 06:00:22 PM »
I was trying to be מלמד זכות.  Oh well, I guess you pick and choose what part of the religion you think is "normal"..
Assuming the religion dictates that, you're right.
But thats not the case, with my religion, at least.
And yes, I'm an orthodox jew.
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #241 on: January 06, 2013, 06:07:40 PM »
I don't know if you noticed but almost any topic in DDF eventually turns to religion :))
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #242 on: January 06, 2013, 06:49:19 PM »
Assuming the religion dictates that, you're right.
But thats not the case, with my religion, at least.
And yes, I'm an orthodox jew.
In orthodox Judaism, it is admirable (obviously in the right conditions),
not
definitly not normal.

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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #243 on: January 06, 2013, 06:51:19 PM »
In orthodox Judaism, it is admirable
15-16?? c'mon...
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But can’t two Rabbis’ give two different opinions? Now what do you do.
Good question, are you sure you're not Jewish?!  ;D
One is supposed to appoint for oneself one rabbi, with which one goes to with all his questions (with regards to religious law).

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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #245 on: January 06, 2013, 06:54:41 PM »
15-16?? c'mon...
The more, the merrier  :D

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Good question, are you sure you're not Jewish?!  ;D
The more you think religions are different you find out the more they are the same.  ;)

One is supposed to appoint for oneself one rabbi, with which one goes to with all his questions (with regards to religious law).
…and what you do if in twenty years you find out the you have confided in all those years turns out to be a child molester like has happen in the Roman Catholic Church?
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #247 on: January 06, 2013, 07:44:30 PM »
…and what you do if in twenty years you find out the you have confided in all those years turns out to be a child molester like has happen in the Roman Catholic Church?
Do? In terms if what? I guess you feel stupid for a bit and then you move on.

With regard to religious obligation you are only required to do things to the best of your ability. If you find out that you were given bad advice that you sought out with the right intentions you won't be held accountable. If you suspected he was molesting kids though, and you ignored it you are in hot water.
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2013, 07:49:34 PM »
With regard to religious obligation you are only required to do things to the best of your ability. If you find out that you were given bad advice that you sought out with the right intentions you won't be held accountable. If you suspected he was molesting kids though, and you ignored it you are in hot water.
This is the part I have a big problem with and 100% disagree with. Following the advice of your priest/rabbi when you believe in your heart it is the wrong advice is not an excuse that is going to cut it when that time comes (IMHO).
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Re: Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2013, 07:55:57 PM »
If you find out that you were given bad advice that you sought out with the right intentions you won't be held accountable.

-1 I don't believe things are so black and white like that.

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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #250 on: January 06, 2013, 08:14:02 PM »
This is the part I have a big problem with and 100% disagree with. Following the advice of your priest/rabbi when you believe in your heart it is the wrong advice is not an excuse that is going to cut it when that time comes (IMHO).

That's not what I said. You're adding the part about advice that you feel is wrong.

I was talking about asking what religious obligatation you have, not advice. Also if you sense something is amiss it is important to question it.

In any case, I'll turn your question around and ask you, what would you do if you followed your religious creed and found out after 20 years that it was the wrong one?
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #251 on: January 06, 2013, 11:37:30 PM »
In any case, I'll turn your question around and ask you, what would you do if you followed your religious creed and found out after 20 years that it was the wrong one?
I don’t think it is possible anyone will ever find out the religious creed they follow is the wrong one. Did you ever entertain the idea that there is no “wrong one”? 
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #252 on: January 06, 2013, 11:49:23 PM »
I don’t think it is possible anyone will ever find out the religious creed they follow is the wrong one. Did you ever entertain the idea that there is no “wrong one”? 
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #253 on: January 07, 2013, 12:53:36 AM »
I don’t think it is possible anyone will ever find out the religious creed they follow is the wrong one. Did you ever entertain the idea that there is no “wrong one”? 

Of course not. If there's no wrong one then there's no right one.
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #254 on: January 07, 2013, 01:03:15 AM »
If there's no wrong one then there's no right one.
At least we agree on something.  :)
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #255 on: January 07, 2013, 09:43:11 AM »
I don’t think it is possible anyone will ever find out the religious creed they follow is the wrong one. Did you ever entertain the idea that there is no “wrong one”?

Absolutely. Judaism believes very strongly that for most people there is simply an obligation to follow the seven Noahide commandments. After that any additional religious requirements are fine... Generally speaking Christianity, Islam and some other religions are completely legitimate options for a vast number of people.

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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #256 on: January 07, 2013, 09:45:41 AM »
a little kids throwup evokes a crying emoticon for the fathers troubles?  really?    take a long look in the mirror, man   cuz you are one self centered dude.    with that kind of attitude i can't imagine you have very healthy relationships with anybody that require giving on your part.  go speak to a professional.

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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #257 on: January 07, 2013, 09:53:31 AM »
Absolutely. Judaism believes very strongly that for most people there is simply an obligation to follow the seven Noahide commandments. After that any additional religious requirements are fine... Generally speaking Christianity, Islam and some other religions are completely legitimate options for a vast number of people.
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #258 on: January 07, 2013, 09:58:22 AM »
Wow... Just break up with an emoticon? Take it easy
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Re: The truth about children - Warning: Controversial
« Reply #259 on: January 07, 2013, 09:59:55 AM »
Not for discussion here or now but not so pashut

It seems like just about everything is up for discussion... Regardless what I was trying to say was simply that Judaism (as opposed to every other major Abrahamic religion believes that there may be legitimate paths other than it's own.