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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
84 (37.2%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (2.2%)
No
137 (60.6%)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 07:59:33 PM »
Nope!!  It's not necassarily the safest thing.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 08:10:41 PM »
No, never, don't do it, I am not knowledgeable to beat out a fellow Am Keshei Orefer in a detailed argument, but I have heard the two sides duel it out multiple times and the bottom line is: (discussing only extra vaccines at this point like chicken pox and flu) It's bad for you and it's a money making scam that a lot of brainwashing medical ppl all greedily agree and cover up tons of facts to the extent that medical journals have inaccurate info to make ppl believe these thing are good for you. Know someone that had a relative die from it and many ppl that it didn't even help with the flu (they even get wrong flu vaccinated most years). Hope the no vote wins big this year and even bigger next year!!

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 08:13:55 PM »
No, never, don't do it, I am not knowledgeable to beat out a fellow Am Keshei Orefer in a detailed argument, but I have heard the two sides duel it out multiple times and the bottom line is: (discussing only extra vaccines at this point like chicken pox and flu) It's bad for you and it's a money making scam that a lot of brainwashing medical ppl all greedily agree and cover up tons of facts to the extent that medical journals have inaccurate info to make ppl believe these thing are good for you. Know someone that had a relative die from it and many ppl that it didn't even help with the flu (they even get wrong flu vaccinated most years). Hope the no vote wins big this year and even bigger next year!!

In 1976 1 person died from the flu and 25 from the vaccine (and, possibly some crippled, don't recall 100%). The US Government was sued for over a billion dollars, they have since passed a law which makes them immune to these lawsuits.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 08:16:18 PM »
Now for some actual facts.

There are between 3,000 and 49,000 deaths from the flu in the US alone every year.
The annual average is 36,000 deaths from the flu in the US.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 08:21:52 PM »
I have not but I plan to.  But I don't get it every year.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 08:24:31 PM »
Now for some actual facts.

There are between 3,000 and 49,000 deaths from the flu in the US alone every year.
The annual average is 36,000 deaths from the flu in the US.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

Fine, but those facts say nothing about the "shot"
How many would have died from the flu whether they got the shot or not? (age, sick etc;)
How many statisticaly wise does the shot make sick or affect in any way?
How many of those that died did indeed get the shot?
What is the average age (are they old) of those that die?
How many of them were sick from before?



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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 08:25:39 PM »

How many of those that died did indeed get the shot?

I'm curious about this myself.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 08:25:46 PM »
No, never, don't do it, I am not knowledgeable to beat out a fellow Am Keshei Orefer in a detailed argument, but I have heard the two sides duel it out multiple times and the bottom line is: (discussing only extra vaccines at this point like chicken pox and flu) It's bad for you and it's a money making scam that a lot of brainwashing medical ppl all greedily agree and cover up tons of facts to the extent that medical journals have inaccurate info to make ppl believe these thing are good for you. Know someone that had a relative die from it and many ppl that it didn't even help with the flu (they even get wrong flu vaccinated most years). Hope the no vote wins big this year and even bigger next year!!
Right, because you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who died from the vaccine.
As opposed to the tens of thousands of Americans who die annually from the flu.

Same logic that causes diseases that had been nearly eradicated to come back due to the lack of herd immunity.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 08:26:31 PM »
Fine, but those facts say nothing about the "shot"
How many would have died from the flu whether they got the shot or not? (age, sick etc;)
How many statisticaly wise does the shot make sick or affect in any way?
How many of those that died did indeed get the shot?
Feel free to search for those facts but don't claim that 1 person dies from the flu per year. 

If there was a significant death toll from getting the vaccine it would all over the news.  Hint: It's not.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 08:27:37 PM »
Oh and most medical plans cover the flu vaccine with no copay.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 08:28:28 PM »
Now for some actual facts.

There are between 3,000 and 49,000 deaths from the flu in the US alone every year.
The annual average is 36,000 deaths from the flu in the US.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

But 50 people overall may have died from the vaccine! Its obviously more dangerous to be vaccinated.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 08:40:22 PM »
But 50 people overall may have died from the vaccine! Its obviously more dangerous to be vaccinated.

one has nothing to do with the other.
How many of those that died were old or sick etc;
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 08:42:34 PM »
Even if the majority that died were children or elderly having adults vaccinated means they'll pass it on to fewer kids and elderly people.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 08:55:35 PM »
Right, because you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who died from the vaccine.
As opposed to the tens of thousands of Americans who die annually from the flu.

Same logic that causes diseases that had been nearly eradicated to come back due to the lack of herd immunity.


Closer, know someone who's bro died... I don't know the one who's dead, cause he's dead... But for everyone else here, they know someone (me) who knows someone (well, not gonna name him) who knew someone (his bro) who died. So pretty much, ya... I don't know anyone who didn't die because they got vaccine, but either way... The statistic of one to zero, or 39000 (out of billions of ppl who didn't die and didn't vaccinate) is not what would influence my decision, it's hearing both sides and deciding based on my own decision making ability...