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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
84 (37.2%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (2.2%)
No
137 (60.6%)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2013, 08:59:30 PM »
39,000 out of billions? I didn't realize there are billions of Americans?

If you mean worldwide, there are 500,000 flu deaths per year.

Anti-vaccine paranoids should really all just be put together in one nice colony for a couple years and we'll see the results of the rest of the world and the anti-vaccine colony :P
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2013, 09:02:10 PM »
my bad 308,745,538 ppl in 2010...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2013, 09:22:22 PM »
one has nothing to do with the other.
How many of those that died were old or sick etc;

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2013, 09:27:21 PM »
If you are not a doctor, listen to your doctor. Any doc that hears us talking will laugh and think "noob", just like you think "noob" when a new DDFer asks some silly question. It's laughable to hear from people who have no clue how to read medical statistics (me included), or even know where to go to read the studies, listen to someone who claims that their relative died from a vaccine, when he probably he died from an unknown cause after receiving a vaccine, but that's besides the point. If you were never trained in medicine be smart and listen to you doctor, not your great-aunt.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 09:29:29 PM »
If you are not a doctor, listen to your doctor. Any doc that hears us talking will laugh and think "noob", just like you think "noob" when a new DDFer asks some silly question. It's laughable to hear from people who have no clue how to read medical statistics (me included), or even know where to go to read the studies, listen to someone who claims that their relative died from a vaccine, when he probably he died from an unknown cause after receiving a vaccine, but that's besides the point. If you were never trained in medicine be smart and listen to you doctor, not your great-aunt.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2013, 09:32:54 PM »
And how do you decide between doctor A and doctor B?
Ask YOUR doctor, I hope you pick someone you trust, because if you don't listen to your doctor, ein ledavar sof, you can always find a respected dissenting opinion. You have to trust your doctor, after that I believe you did your hishtadlus, the rest is in the hands of Hashem. Because if you have to second guess your doctor, and google all his decisions, Lo shavkes chayee.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2013, 09:34:18 PM »
Ask YOUR doctor, I hope you pick someone you trust, because if you don't listen to your doctor, ein ledavar sof, you can always find a respected dissenting opinion, you have to trust your doctor, after that I believe you did your hishtadlus, the rest is in the hands of Hashem. Because if you have to second guess your doctor, and google all his decisions, Lo shavkes chayee.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2013, 09:35:01 PM »
IME Doctors actually like a patient who googles before going in for an appointment.
b4, not after!!!
And even b4 IME sometimes they are annoyed, (which I believe they're wrong for being annoyed).
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2013, 09:37:42 PM »
b4, not after!!!
And even b4 IME sometimes they are annoyed, (which I believe they're wrong for being annoyed).
Yes after also, at the next appointment. You need a good doctor though, not one who just works in the mega-hospital machine.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2013, 10:11:09 PM »
Yes after also, at the next appointment. You need a good doctor though, not one who just works in the mega-hospital machine.
I don't know any doctor who if he tells you to take a vaccine, and you Google and come back and say that you read it's dangerous, who'll appreciate it. And I have a great doctor, not one who just works in the mega-hospital machine.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2013, 10:31:08 PM »
I know my Doctor for 28 years. He's not part of a conspiracy, get the shots!

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2013, 10:31:46 PM »
I know my Doctor for 28 years. He's not part of a conspiracy, get the shots!
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2013, 10:36:01 PM »
In Lakewood, ALL the pediatricians (besides one who is retiring/being retired from chemed) strongly urge all to get all possible shots.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2013, 10:38:03 PM »
I don't know any doctor who if he tells you to take a vaccine, and you Google and come back and say that you read it's dangerous, who'll appreciate it. And I have a great doctor, not one who just works in the mega-hospital machine.
Obviously if you just say your wrong blah blah blah the doctor would be annoyed, but if you bring in facts a good doctor would gladly dispute them for you. (Just saying I was one of the first if not the first kid in the US to get the chickenpox vaccine)
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