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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
184 (60.5%)

Total Members Voted: 303

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 242094 times)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #150 on: January 15, 2013, 05:54:44 AM »
Michael Savage: don't trust the feds on flu shot!

FTR, Savage earned a bachelor's degree in biology, and holds two master's degrees in medical ethnobotany and medical anthropology from the University of Hawaii, and a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.  He has written books on herbal medicine and homeopathy.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2013, 05:59:45 AM »
Michael Savage: don't trust the feds on flu shot!

FTR, Savage earned a bachelor's degree in biology, and holds two master's degrees in medical ethnobotany and medical anthropology from the University of Hawaii, and a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.  He has written books on herbal medicine and homeopathy.
No need to read any further.  :)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2013, 08:52:11 AM »
Savage is a nut. Does anyone disagree?

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2013, 08:56:37 AM »
Seeing that people are getting all worked up over what people with PhDs are saying it probably needs to be clarified: The fact that someone has a PhD doesn't automatically qualify him to give an opinion on ANYTHING he wants, a PhD in nutritional ethnomedicine has to do with vaccines about as much as Shimush for Maros helps you give an opinion on Kashrus. You need someone with knowledge and experience in THE FIELD we're talking about.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #154 on: January 15, 2013, 09:23:31 AM »
Savage is a nut. Does anyone disagree?
Nope!
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #155 on: January 15, 2013, 11:56:20 AM »
Michael Savage: don't trust the feds on flu shot!

FTR, Savage earned a bachelor's degree in biology, and holds two master's degrees in medical ethnobotany and medical anthropology from the University of Hawaii, and a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.  He has written books on herbal medicine and homeopathy.

I find him to be extremely entertaining and quite knowledgeable in certain subjects. Part of the problem here is that he is in the entertainment industy... a lot of incentive to say controversial (read: accuracy not required) statements.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #156 on: January 15, 2013, 11:28:53 PM »
Michael Savage is really not knowledgeable at all. If he is your source of information, you are doing it wrong.

From the article linked above, italics are mine.

Asking listeners to put aside his political orientation for a moment, talk-radio host Michael Savage questioned the federal government’s recommendation that citizens get a flu shot.
 “Did Harry Reid take a flu shot? Did Barack Obama take a flu shot? Did Barack Obama’s lovely family take a flu shot? Did Joe Biden take a flu shot?” Savage asked.
Good question Savage. Journalism at its best. Before we take the flu shot we must know if all the top Democrats in the country took or not. Because if they did then we should stay far away the shot, because anything the Dems do must be wrong. Or maybe if they didn't take it that would prove it’s all one big left wing conspiracy. Good thing Savage hedged his bets on this and didn't take a position so that when we find out whether they took it or not, he can say “aha! Told you so!”. Now no matter what Biden, Obama, and Reid have done, the shot has become a Democratic weapon against us. Wait what’s that you say? Savage started the article by saying let's put aside all political orientation? So what is he saying now? You mean going from one sentence to the next he contradicts himself? Okay....

“Which of the mandarins took the flu shot?”
I Have no idea what Savage is saying here. Is he trying making fun of Democrats? Chinese Americans? Both? And what does this have to do with his case against the flu shot? Was he drunk when he wrote this?

He explained that he was talking specifically about vaccines and was not advocating the avoidance of all pharmaceuticals.
Known for his many books on herbal medicines, Savage acknowledged he has benefited from “an awful lot of life-saving regular medicines.”
How nice. So this is not about all drugs, just vaccines in general since Savage has “ benefited from life saving medicine”. Meaning the scientific method according to Savage means, “if I experience benefit from it, then it must work and be good. If I never had any experience with this, then it must be bad and not work.” This is just a very absurd statement.

The article is terrible and only gets worse. If I have time I'll dissect this garbage later.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #157 on: January 15, 2013, 11:31:06 PM »
Michael Savage: don't trust the feds on flu shot!

FTR, Savage earned a bachelor's degree in biology, and holds two master's degrees in medical ethnobotany and medical anthropology from the University of Hawaii, and a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine.  He has written books on herbal medicine and homeopathy.

He also intensely dislikes meztitza b'peh. I don't think he would be your Rov on that either.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #158 on: January 15, 2013, 11:34:20 PM »
I don't get why people would get a shot over the spray.
It's not considered as effective.
Anyway, I prefer a needle in my arm (with soreness) to shpritz up my nose. But that's me, and I'm weird that way.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #159 on: January 15, 2013, 11:34:55 PM »
It's not considered as effective.
Source?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #160 on: January 15, 2013, 11:40:00 PM »
Source?
I had a better one, but for now: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2012/11/03/kids-flumist-vaccine/1677863/
the difference is that the shot is a dead virus and the spray is a live virus. dead apparently is better for adults.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #161 on: January 16, 2013, 12:12:37 AM »
I'm still sore in my arm!  :(
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #162 on: January 16, 2013, 12:14:31 AM »
I'm still sore in my arm!  :(
Next time get the mist :)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #163 on: January 16, 2013, 12:16:26 AM »
From the article in usa today

"Some doctors, nurses and pharmacists are misinformed about FluMist's safety, says Rachel Vreeman, co-author of Don't Swallow Your Gum!: Myths, Half-Truths, and Outright Lies About Your Body and Health.

Some doctors and pharmacists refuse to stock FluMist, and even caution patients against it, Vreeman says.

"The concerns over FluMist fall in the category of medical myths that even doctors believe," Vreeman says."

That's where i think my mother said she got her info from - her doc!!
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #164 on: January 16, 2013, 12:19:02 AM »
Myths.
You do seem to buy into too many of them ;)
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