Vaccine Discussion Master Thread

[jj1000]

My dear friend, time for rhreality check

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/06/06/new-york-bill-would-allow-teens-to-get-hpv-vaccine-without-parental-consent/

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/resolution-pushes-hpv-vaccine-parental-consent-blog-entry-1.2070979

http://www.nyclu.org/issues/rrp/hpv

The best course for providers administering the HPV vaccine, as with any medical treatment, is to attempt to obtain a minor’s permission to involve a parent in the immunization decision. However, if parental involvement is not possible, it is the NYCLU’s position that New York law supports the provision of the vaccine without parental consent. The NYCLU believes that existing New York law permits minors to consent to the vaccine

Still don't see where it says a 9 year old can get the vaccine without the parents knowing.

And I don't see where it is being forced either.

[PTU]

BH i have helped many parents  with autistic  kids improve drastically, in some cases even sent stool samples to a lab as they were detoxifying,and heavy metals were found

The avodah zorah of vaccines is falling apart as more of us see the truth & join the small but fast growing anti vax movment

Quacks were promoting margarine (tarns fat) & demonizing butter & eggs  (cholesterol sat fat) e-z way to boost big corp @ expense of poor farmer, the myth now debunked, some still hold on to that  religion.

You and these parents believe bemunah shleima that autism was caused by vaccines.

It's sad that you live your life being angry and bitter - on a witch hunt, instead of trying at least to help people peacefully accept and deal with these children.

[aygart]

TO Aygart: who cares about typographical errors?

Typogrphical errors? LOL 3/4 of what you write isn't even understandable!

[avromie7]

B"H none of my children were ever autistic, if anything it is you believing blindly in these who are making a fortune ruining innocent kids.

YOU are bitter & on a witch hunt blaming the selfless activists for any misfortune

Did ever bother reading warning #13 on the vaccine insert before shooting from the hip

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM263239.pdf

What chutzpah do you have to poke fun at the $1,000s tzedoko spent helping unfortunate kids reverse their autism?

Do you really have no sense of shame at all??

There is only one person here who seems to be on a witch hunt. v'hameiven yavin

[Aaaron]

B"H none of my children were ever autistic, if anything it is you believing blindly in these who are making a fortune ruining innocent kids.

YOU are bitter & on a witch hunt blaming the selfless activists for any misfortune

Did ever bother reading warning #13 on the vaccine insert before shooting from the hip

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM263239.pdf

What chutzpah do you have to poke fun at the $1,000s tzedoko spent helping unfortunate kids reverse their autism?

Do you really have no sense of shame at all??

Big pharma must be run by horrible businessmen.  Serious question:  Wouldn't they make much more money by supplying the drugs for measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc., if they convinced everyone that vaccines were harmful.

[henche]

Big pharma must be run by horrible businessmen.  Serious question:  Wouldn't they make much more money by supplying the drugs for measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc., if they convinced everyone that vaccines were harmful.

Obviously not.

[jackofall]

Big pharma must be run by horrible businessmen.  Serious question:  Wouldn't they make much more money by supplying the drugs for measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc., if they convinced everyone that vaccines were harmful.

According to crazy anti-vaxxers there are no sicknesses  that we are vaccinating for.......

[jackofall]

Mr selfless activist listen here a second. If you want to convince people that vaccines are no good stop posting internet links. Rather take all your years of medical research and write up a coherent thesis explaining the issue. Please explain how vaccines work, the benefits of vaccines and how the damage overrides the benifts(with proofs of course).
Also, make sure your big pharma conspiracy is not part of your argument as it will make your position look silly.

[Menachem613]

Mr selfless activist listen here a second. If you want to convince people that vaccines are no good stop posting internet links. Rather take all your years of medical research and write up a coherent thesis explaining the issue. Please explain how vaccines work, the benefits of vaccines and how the damage overrides the benifts(with proofs of course).
Also, make sure your big pharma conspiracy is not part of your argument as it will make your position look silly.

+100

[Menachem613]

http://enrichedparenting.org/index.html

http://drbradstreet.org/

http://vaccine-injury.info/boyd-haley.cfm

Posting links are not persuasive.

[jj1000]

GMO's cause Autism and much more.

The proof is big food processors are rich off of GMO's!

And there are even websites all overt the internet saying so.

I rest my case.

[Achas Veachas]

GMO's cause Autism and much more.

The proof is big food processors are rich off of GMO's!

And there are even websites all overt the internet saying so.

I rest my case.

It's actually there chemtrails, do some research sheeple!

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com

https://xkcd.com/966/

http://www.trump.com/biography/

[aygart]

All wrong. It is the lights from street lamps messing up everyone's sleep schedule

[jj1000]

Here is the deal

Find a reliable escrow agent. we all put in $1000

Pay your local pedi to run a report of their vaxed  & unvaxed kids, compare the chronic disease rate. winner takes the $

If you could prove a correlation you'd make a lot more than $1,000. I wonder why no major study has found a correlation before.

[Menachem613]

If you could prove a correlation you'd make a lot more than $1,000. I wonder why no major study has found a correlation before.

They did, but big pharma had the study and the participants killed.

[jj1000]

They did, but big pharma had the study and the participants killed. <img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji38.png" />

All they had to do was vaccinate the researchers

[Dywert]

You can not do such a study for a good reason. It is not ethical to NOT give vaccines (Which are clearly proven to prevent morbidity and mortality) to 1/2 of the study's participants.  If you were to study retrospectively people that have had vaccines vs people that have not you would likely end up with too many confounders for the study to be accurate. (Although they HAVE done many retrospective studies using end points that are not subject to confounders as much (ex - using infant death from SIDS as an end point) and have consistently NOT shown any concerning link to vaccines!! (These studies are conveniently ignored by people who are anti-vaccines).

[jackofall]

Vaccine are retzicha nothing less

Here is an intelligent guy.
All vaccines are dangerous - they kill people.
All vaccines are worthless - they don't prevent any diseases
All medical professionals are sheeple and indoctrinated by big pharma. They don't have enough brains to question the information that is fed to them.
Someone like Dr Shanik who has seen thousands of patients in his life A. either he is evil and wants to harm children, B. To dumb to see the alleged correlation between all the damage he is causing his patients by vaccinating them which the anti vaxxers claim is as clear as the day or C. he gets a handsome paycheck from big pharma and doesn't really have much of a choice but keeps his mouth shut.

[jj1000]

You are just popugaiying Dr Paul Offit , he sold his vax patent for only $180 million poor guy

On the acip commitee he voted his own vax into the schedule, holier than moshe rabienu, bribes, conflict of interest, don't effect him

Read his book bad faith how he attacks bris milah, why don't you trust him there?

If anything WOH reports show, in developed nations infant  mortality is lowest where the least vaccines are given & highest where the the most vaccine are given

there has NEVER been a study in USA comparing totally unvaxed to fully vaxed ,

congressional bill hr1757  is on hold for since 2013, the drug-dealers are afraid of us knowing the truth

What's worse shooting up an innocent baby & sickening them for life, or murder ?

You don't make any sense, and I don't understand how ant-vaccines became so popular in the frum community. Nothing else is so fought against with tin-foil hatters in the frum circles like vaccines, you can literally google anything you put in your body and find people saying there are studies that it kills you. Milk for example has a huge movement that it kills people, vaccines is such a random thing frum people chose to fight, and it looks so bad to the world.

You want to argue some vaccines aren't necessary fine, but to say that all vaccines don't work and kill people is ludicrous.

Anyone that says that is like me arguing with someone that germs don't exist another frum gem of an argument.

[jackofall]

Dr   hoc in tcheinick's

From a guy sitting on his a$$ googling his life away calling Dr Shanik that