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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


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Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1640 on: September 01, 2015, 01:16:29 PM »
You are just popugaiying Dr Paul Offit , he sold his vax patent for only $180 million poor guy :(

On the acip commitee he voted his own vax into the schedule, holier than moshe rabienu, bribes, conflict of interest, don't effect him :P

Read his book bad faith how he attacks bris milah, why don't you trust him there?

If anything WOH reports show, in developed nations infant  mortality is lowest where the least vaccines are given & highest where the the most vaccine are given

there has NEVER been a study in USA comparing totally unvaxed to fully vaxed ,

congressional bill hr1757  is on hold for since 2013, the drug-dealers are afraid of us knowing the truth

What's worse shooting up an innocent baby & sickening them for life, or murder ?

No, I am NOT just quoting Dr. Offit (whom I agree is very intelligent but likely biased). I have actually looked at the original studies myself (on both sides of the issue) and have come to same conclusion!!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1641 on: September 01, 2015, 01:18:41 PM »
Ohh, and there HAVE been plenty studies comparing "vaxxed to unvaxxed". They are just retrospective (due to the reasons I mentioned before).

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1642 on: September 01, 2015, 01:39:47 PM »
Ok my dear friend ,bnei torah have larger families & can better observe the difference between their own vaxed  & unvaxed kids

As Lawrnace Palevsky MD -former Chief of  Pediatric Acute Care @ NYC's Lenox Hill- says, he woke up  in '91 when the mandated hep-b on newborns,everyone has their wake up call

I agree it is possible some vaccines may provide temporary immunity , that's why they keep on adding boosters.But  at what cost?

Germs exist , but your immune system is the deciding factor, how your body will react to the germ
even lack of sleep effects chance of a common cold  http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-08-lack-sick.html

Almost every vaccine has a warning, not tested for carcinogenic effect (cancer). Manufacturer has blanket immunity,

Find me any mention of chicken pox danger before vaccine production, same with most other childhood disease, risk blown out of proportion to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge.

Mortality from measles dropped by over 90% from 1912 to 1963 , should i credit the vax for that?

CDC's admits In 1912, measles became a nationally notifiable disease in the United States, requiring U.S. healthcare providers and laboratories to report all diagnosed cases. In the first decade of reporting, an average of 6,000 measles-related deaths were reported each year.

. In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year an estimated 400 to 500 people died
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

Smart guy like you, why don't you learn a lesson from the 09 swine flu hoax, they scared us to death to sell the vaccine which many refused. What happened to the deaths they predicted

I don't have time for this today.

Read this whole thread and all of this is repetition. Bottom line you are wrong and talking stupidity.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1643 on: September 01, 2015, 01:42:36 PM »

Smart guy like you, why don't you learn a lesson from the 09 swine flu hoax, they scared us to death to sell the vaccine which many refused. What happened to the deaths they predicted

From August 30, 2009, to April 3, 2010, a total of 2,125 laboratory-confirmed, influenza-associated deaths were reported to CDC . And that was AFTER vaccinating a large part of the country!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1644 on: September 01, 2015, 01:54:49 PM »
Do you drink cholov akum?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1645 on: September 01, 2015, 02:00:18 PM »
was as effective as CPR on a dead body ?
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 The overall VE against pandemic 2009 A/H1N1 virus illness after adjustment for age group and presence of chronic medical conditions was 73.4% (95% confidence interval [CI]=49.1-86.1%).
Far from perfect, but I would take a 73% protection for my kids any day of the year.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1646 on: September 01, 2015, 02:05:16 PM »
I really hope you wake up before its  to late
Funny the last person that told me that was selling jesus on a street corner. Guess you two would get along.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1647 on: September 01, 2015, 02:06:27 PM »
I want to know if the anti-vax guys drink cholov akum.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1648 on: September 01, 2015, 02:08:49 PM »
I want to know if the anti-vax guys drink cholov akum.
Not possible as they only drink milk directly from the cow.......
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1649 on: September 01, 2015, 02:09:57 PM »
Not possible as they only drink milk directly from the cow.......
If so, that's great. More power to them. But is that true?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1650 on: September 01, 2015, 02:10:18 PM »
The weather station predicted a hurricane in FL this week. And told people to be prepared. Funny not even 50% of residents listened.

No hurricane came and no one died.

The weather station is a hoax funded by big pharm and out to get us.

Or maybe their job to to prevent the possibilities of what may happen and try to prepare everyone for the worst.

Not possible as they only drink milk directly from the cow.......
Milk is the white devil and is the cause of 74% of all illness in 8 year olds in the US.

$1,000 says if you tests kids that drink milk and kids that don't the kids that don't drink milk have a higher GPA.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1651 on: September 01, 2015, 02:22:43 PM »
If anything WOH reports show, in developed nations infant  mortality is lowest where the least vaccines are given & highest where the the most vaccine are given
This is a total malicious lie as was proven earlier in this thread. If you can read enough english to figure out what is written there go read up and see how just about every ignorant stupidity you are writing was already discussed with some other illiterate who thought they know it all. Came out that like you it was alldue to their inproficiency in the english language and they had no clue what they were reading. Every single study they quoted showed the total opposite of what they were quoted as saying once it was read properly.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1652 on: September 01, 2015, 03:21:38 PM »
You're not going to wake anyone up. Your writing isn't persuasive. Someone earlier  gave you tips.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1653 on: September 01, 2015, 03:32:06 PM »
If anyone is a lying it is you!
This is an undisputed fact , they are just trying to find other resons to blame
Then show us the numbers don't just mention a vague WHO study. If it is the same one some other illiterate mentioned earlier then arvach arva tzorich.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1654 on: September 01, 2015, 04:42:23 PM »
Why don't you answer the question? Cholov akum -- you drink it?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1655 on: September 01, 2015, 04:46:07 PM »
That's what we're trying to figure out, is it Cholov Akum out vaccines that are responsible for this...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1656 on: September 01, 2015, 05:16:48 PM »
That's what we're trying to figure out, is it Cholov Akum out vaccines that are responsible for this...

No. It's very simple. If the anti-vaxers are to have any credibility, they must answer this question.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1657 on: September 01, 2015, 05:30:42 PM »
No. It's very simple. If the anti-vaxers are to have any credibility, they must answer this question.
Curious, why?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1658 on: September 01, 2015, 05:36:55 PM »
Curious, why?

You don't see why? You sound honest but do you really not see the connection? When do you trust the government and when don't you? About what kinds of things do you resist conventional wisdom and about which kinds of things do you not ask questions?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1659 on: September 01, 2015, 05:45:04 PM »
reduce the us vax sched...& save 16.000 American innocent lives  5 September 11s by the pharmaceutical Mafia
Sorry, but this is old and missleading news. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don’t reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates.