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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
114 (38.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
176 (59.7%)

Total Members Voted: 294

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 216274 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1770 on: September 10, 2015, 03:31:42 PM »
I was given no choice but to be a nut. I opted for health-nut over sick-nut

The poll shows, majority did not buy the flu vax hype

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/flu-vaccination-ban-goes-national-after-fever-convulsions-in-children-20100422-tglp.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/11/books/review-bad-faith-a-dr-paul-a-offit-book-on-religion-and-modern-medicine.html?_r=0

Unfortunately, Dr. Offit’s book is more a fervent attack job than an earnest attempt to understand people with different, if misguided views. His book is thinly sourced and poorly researched, seeming at times as if he began with a conclusion and then went in search of evidence.

Quote from: Menachem613 on Today at 09:07:14 AM

    @baryochai Was 9/11 an inside job?

Politically correct policy, & incompetence played a role in not catching the terrorists beforehand.

Agency issuing visa approval notices for two of the hijackers six months after they flew airliners into the World Trade Center.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ins-shuffle-in-wake-of-visa-flap/

To jj1000: Any profits of sep injuries is dwarfed by merck profits from viox alone

Merck withdrew Vioxx from the market in September 2004, after a clinical trial proved that it increased the risks of heart attacks and strokes. But internal company documents showed that Merck’s scientists were concerned about the risks of Vioxx several years earlier. And a large clinical trial that ended in 2000 also showed that Vioxx was much riskier than naproxen, an older painkiller sold under the name Aleve.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=merck+vioxx+fine

The fine was a joke small slice of profits, cost of doing (monkey) business

Market crashed because you only got 1 shot , take 2 it will go up

1st bube mayseh, don't feed baby fish or look in mirror b/4 they talk  2nd don't climb out of window  or you stop growing 3rd don't open umbrella in house...

Anyone else got the kick out of defying these rules ;D

Try it , buy some puts , then take 2x vax ;D

Actually just make sure fed reserve chair sneezes, the whole market will catch a cold (feet)

Maybe that's why DR Eilenberg's  patients are the healthiest kids on the block.

Actually the Lakewood papers refused to print the  R' Chaim Kanievsky's response

BTW in NY average Doctor gets paid 170 per well visit (I bought a ruler & scale for less  ::)) & 25 for every needle they stick into your baby. (Besides cost of vaccine itself)

0 to 12 Months 7 visits 14 needles over $1500.  4 Million Newborns times $1500 = 6 Billion dollars to pediatricians
Do you understand why shots are SO IMPORTANT?

I agree with 100%, 90 Billion cancer industry is fantastic business !

Did you ever read #13 on vaccine inserts re cancer

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM093833

Eli Eilenberg MD from Lakewood is 1 of my friends, Rafael Kellman MD NYC Lawrance Palevsky NYC so are many other MDs

BS

4 young uncles & 3 cousins, chemo made MD rich, 6 where never cured 1survived

http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org/crystin-schiff

Have been in touch with officer Schiff for years



"Court" ruled Doc can say  no option available even if it is available in other sate  & 2 of doc' clients were cured there
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1071847.html
Did convince a few B"H, they are grateful

See you next year  until then say ato choinein le'odom da'as

Actually the "protected" need extra tefilos ,we say ato choinein 1st, so we should have sechel to know what is a refuah

I could use some more da'as, but some of u I really wish hashem gives you more asap

My dear friend take it e-z,
A, so your insurance pays 102 x 7 =714  plus the per needle fee, & that's only the "well" visit add in a few sick visits, nothing to sneeze about. Compare to unvaxed kids 1 visits per year is common

B 1 source for higher fee than your MD http://hirschpediatrics.com/documents/HirschPediatricsdiscountedsickvisitandwell-childexamfeeschedule_000.pdf

2nd source http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/how-can-it-be-about-the-money-immunizations-are-free-right/

A Natural gas cars tend to have longer shelf life ;D

B Would you trust the gas station guy to advise which car has best MPG ?

C Al you need to do is get the report how many kids suffer from asthma  & any other chronic disease @ Eli Eilenberg's  office  in Lakewood compare to  national average or any other local  ped










BS !

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1771 on: September 10, 2015, 03:44:26 PM »
My dear friend take it e-z,
A, so your insurance pays 102 x 7 =714  plus the per needle fee, & that's only the "well" visit add in a few sick visits, nothing to sneeze about. Compare to unvaxed kids 1 visits per year is common

B 1 source for higher fee than your MD http://hirschpediatrics.com/documents/HirschPediatricsdiscountedsickvisitandwell-childexamfeeschedule_000.pdf

2nd source http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/how-can-it-be-about-the-money-immunizations-are-free-right/

Wait, so vaxxivists only take their kid in for 1 well-vist during the first year? Insurance pays for like 10. You folks really are all-around bad parents.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1772 on: September 10, 2015, 04:18:41 PM »
A Natural gas cars tend to have longer shelf life ;D


Have you ever TRIED putting natural gas into your car? ;D
Curiosity made the cat smarter.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1773 on: September 10, 2015, 10:48:15 PM »
this thread has been ruined. used to bounce back eventually, but is now totally deflated and dead. it's been real guys

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1774 on: September 10, 2015, 11:55:21 PM »
I could use some more da'as
+1 but what you are missing more is bina chochma and haskel. I would say you can easily rattle off more about vaccines than anyone here, but the question is your understanding of what you are reading.

From what it seems you have given up on trying to discuss facts since everything you have brought has been debunked simply by reading your sources. Instead you are just spewing stupid sound bytes.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1775 on: September 11, 2015, 01:03:06 AM »
Al you need to do is get the report how many kids suffer from asthma  & any other chronic disease @ Eli Eilenberg's  office  in Lakewood compare to  national average or any other local  ped
Based on your logic we must stop spending on science space and tech and there would be less suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1776 on: September 11, 2015, 03:25:09 AM »
Are there any studies by the US government that compare vaccinated to non vaccinated children.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1777 on: September 11, 2015, 06:13:19 AM »
Are there any studies by the US government that compare vaccinated to non vaccinated children.
You would trust a study by the US government? Wake up sheeple!
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1778 on: September 11, 2015, 06:15:28 AM »
You would trust a study by the US government? Wake up sheeple!
Do you eat chalav stam?

And it all comes full circle.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1779 on: September 11, 2015, 06:21:51 AM »
Do you eat chalav stam?

And it all comes full circle.


Well unlike our other friend here, I have nothing to hide, no I don't eat Cholov Akum or Cholov Stam. I also vaccinate my kids but that's besides the point... :P
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« Reply #1780 on: September 11, 2015, 07:57:02 AM »


C Al you need to do is get the report how many kids suffer from asthma  & any other chronic disease @ Eli Eilenberg's  office  in Lakewood compare to  national average or any other local  ped
If such a report exists how about showing it to us? I don't believe out exists and even if it does it can probably be debunked like everything else you wrote.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1781 on: September 11, 2015, 11:12:23 AM »
Based on your logic we must stop spending on science space and tech and there would be less suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation
Based on your logic there is no medicine in the world which works
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1782 on: September 11, 2015, 11:43:32 AM »
Dan, can you reset the poll on top so we can revote this year? Maybe we can see some year over year ddf vaccination trends, and then we'll see who's winning this argument.


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1783 on: September 11, 2015, 12:03:07 PM »
Is there a vaccination for stupid? Asking for a friend.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1784 on: September 11, 2015, 01:25:37 PM »
Is there a vaccination for stupid? Asking for a friend.

Yes, but it causes mumps.