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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 300396 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1940 on: February 04, 2018, 11:47:38 AM »
PLEASE O PLEASE DONT REVIVE THIS THREAD!!
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1941 on: February 04, 2018, 11:49:59 AM »
PLEASE O PLEASE DONT REVIVE THIS THREAD!!
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1942 on: February 04, 2018, 11:52:41 AM »
Well, you're still working with only 53 ppl in your sample, so lots of small variables could mess up your results, buthe ok.

Now query if theres anything different about the 60 percent of kids who are vaccinated than the 40 percent who aren't.

Might the parents who vaccinate also be more likely to seek medical attention earlier? Are the kids likely to be more healthy generally?



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2017/03/30/peds.2016-4244
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2017/03/30/peds.2016-4244.full-text.pdf

RESULTS: From July 2010 through June 2014, 358 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported among children aged 6 months through 17 years. Vaccination status was determined for 291 deaths; 75 (26%) received vaccine before illness onset. Average vaccination coverage in survey cohorts was 48%. Overall VE against death was 65% (95% CI, 54% to 74%). Among 153 deaths in children with underlying high-risk medical conditions, 47 (31%) were vaccinated. VE among children with high-risk conditions was 51% (95% CI, 31% to 67%), compared with 65% (95% CI, 47% to 78%) among children without high-risk conditions.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1944 on: February 17, 2018, 08:07:44 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/flu-vaccine-less-effective-than-earlier-estimates-1518718596

Didn't read the article (paywall), but are you still ignoring the fact that having the vaccine reduces fatality rates and the severity of symptoms in ~85% of cases even when flu is contracted?

And even if only effective 30%, what are the risks of the vaccine?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1945 on: March 08, 2018, 07:31:49 AM »
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Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition, a Coalition of Non-Vaccinating Parents in Lakewood, New Jersey.
This coalition was founded by R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a, R’ Shmuel Meir Katz shlit”a and R’ Refael Szmerla shlit”a, and it aims to address the current pressing issue of schools rejecting or dismissing non-vaccinated children. It will also be available to help non-vaccinating parents in Lakewood in any area we feel we can, as well as to provide support of ‘strength in numbers’ to pro-vaccine choice Lakewood families.
This coalition depends on a collective voice and will not be launched until we reach a minimum of 250 families. If you live in Lakewood and have made a decision not to vaccinate your children, we encourage you to please take a few moments to sign up to join the coalition, for your benefit, and for the benefit of all other Lakewood families like yourselves.
 By joining the coalition you agree to have your name and personal information added to our private database. Your information will never be released to a third party without your permission. If the coalition should find it absolutely necessary to release your name in the course of assisting it's members you may receive an email requesting your permission.  Any such instance will be authorized by the Rosh Hayeshiva R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a beforehand.
The success of this endeavor is contingent on enlisting as many non-vaccinating families as possible. Please take the time to reach out to your friends and family who don’t vaccinate and encourage them to join.

To join, please visit www.vaccinecoalition.org. Alternatively you can join by emailing vaccinecoalition@gmail.com or call/ text 732-806-7739

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1946 on: March 08, 2018, 07:46:14 AM »
Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition, a Coalition of Non-Vaccinating Parents in Lakewood, New Jersey.
This coalition was founded by R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a, R’ Shmuel Meir Katz shlit”a and R’ Refael Szmerla shlit”a, and it aims to address the current pressing issue of schools rejecting or dismissing non-vaccinated children. It will also be available to help non-vaccinating parents in Lakewood in any area we feel we can, as well as to provide support of ‘strength in numbers’ to pro-vaccine choice Lakewood families.
This coalition depends on a collective voice and will not be launched until we reach a minimum of 250 families. If you live in Lakewood and have made a decision not to vaccinate your children, we encourage you to please take a few moments to sign up to join the coalition, for your benefit, and for the benefit of all other Lakewood families like yourselves.
 By joining the coalition you agree to have your name and personal information added to our private database. Your information will never be released to a third party without your permission. If the coalition should find it absolutely necessary to release your name in the course of assisting it's members you may receive an email requesting your permission.  Any such instance will be authorized by the Rosh Hayeshiva R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a beforehand.
The success of this endeavor is contingent on enlisting as many non-vaccinating families as possible. Please take the time to reach out to your friends and family who don’t vaccinate and encourage them to join.

To join, please visit www.vaccinecoalition.org. Alternatively you can join by emailing vaccinecoalition@gmail.com or call/ text 732-806-7739
Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1947 on: March 08, 2018, 07:48:16 AM »
Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?
Very complicated.. but let's not make "gedolim" out of rabonim and a Rosh yeshiva.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1948 on: March 08, 2018, 07:52:12 AM »
Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition, a Coalition of Non-Vaccinating Parents in Lakewood, New Jersey.
This coalition was founded by R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a, R’ Shmuel Meir Katz shlit”a and R’ Refael Szmerla shlit”a, and it aims to address the current pressing issue of schools rejecting or dismissing non-vaccinated children. It will also be available to help non-vaccinating parents in Lakewood in any area we feel we can, as well as to provide support of ‘strength in numbers’ to pro-vaccine choice Lakewood families.
This coalition depends on a collective voice and will not be launched until we reach a minimum of 250 families. If you live in Lakewood and have made a decision not to vaccinate your children, we encourage you to please take a few moments to sign up to join the coalition, for your benefit, and for the benefit of all other Lakewood families like yourselves.
 By joining the coalition you agree to have your name and personal information added to our private database. Your information will never be released to a third party without your permission. If the coalition should find it absolutely necessary to release your name in the course of assisting it's members you may receive an email requesting your permission.  Any such instance will be authorized by the Rosh Hayeshiva R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a beforehand.
The success of this endeavor is contingent on enlisting as many non-vaccinating families as possible. Please take the time to reach out to your friends and family who don’t vaccinate and encourage them to join.

To join, please visit www.vaccinecoalition.org. Alternatively you can join by emailing vaccinecoalition@gmail.com or call/ text 732-806-7739
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1949 on: March 08, 2018, 08:09:22 AM »
Very complicated.. but let's not make "gedolim" out of rabonim and a Rosh yeshiva.

So no longer "gedolim", got it. ;)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1950 on: March 08, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
250 families to fight schools to let in their children? Thats enough families to open your own schools. I'd call it
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1951 on: March 08, 2018, 12:25:21 PM »
Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition

Curious why they called it the opposite of what it's purpose is. should be Anti-vaxxers Coalition.

Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?

If in fact they are behind this, it's hard not to lose some respect.
Yes we can still respect their Torah related teachings, but a Rov should be trusted for other issues as well.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1952 on: March 08, 2018, 12:26:59 PM »

Yes we can still respect their Torah related teachings, but a Rov should be trusted for other issues as well.
(I speak for myself).
Speaking for myself as well, I agree.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1953 on: March 08, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »
Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1954 on: March 08, 2018, 12:36:05 PM »
All are obligated to assume the letter may not be authentic, unless proven otherwise.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1955 on: March 08, 2018, 12:57:05 PM »
Some lost it before, this is just another straw
FTFY
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1956 on: March 08, 2018, 12:58:11 PM »
Very complicated.. but let's not make "gedolim" out of rabonim and a Rosh yeshiva.
+1 Inheriting a yeshiva does not make someone a gadol.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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« Reply #1957 on: March 08, 2018, 12:59:00 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1958 on: March 08, 2018, 01:06:33 PM »
oh boy
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1959 on: March 08, 2018, 01:38:15 PM »

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1484691/life-threatening-coalition-attempting-to-form-in-lakewood-new-jersey-tens-of-thousands-at-risk.html

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kavod Habriot
March 8, 2018 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm
“Hey Lakewood! There’s no reason for you to panic parents for absolutely no reason. First of all what is unsafe for vaccinated kids to sit in a class with a few unvaccinated kids? If they are vaccinated than nothing should happen to them. Right? Doesn’t that make sense? Also, Nobody ever dies from the Measles… It’s Like saying the kid died from a big cold. They die from the horrible vaccine that consists of the most disgusting and unsafe ingredients that you can’t even imagine. We have more sick children out than ever before. The Children’s hospitals are packed. Whats Going On? Why? Arent, they vaccinated? Obviously, there’s something very wrong with our corrupt system. If you do some research you will find out that there’s a whole world out there that’s against this vaccination scam. It seems that in our neighborhoods we have to do whatever we are told to do because otherwise…. The doctors are making so much money & kickbacks from the pharma companies like you cant imagine. Yes, even the big doctors in LW wont admit it to you. How many patients do they all have? Try to do the math? Its gonna take a while. There’s plenty of reason for any smart or concerned parent to do some research before they load up their child’s bloodstream with all sorts of medication and drugs. Yes, The FDA website says vaccination is medication. Does Hashem bring down an unperfect baby to the world? Does he not know what he’s doing? Or are we taking a precious little baby and drugging them up because of all the pressures from others? Don’t fall for people or State/Government systems that have an agenda. It’s your Child! He may be okay after his vaccination today. However ho do you know it cant harm him in 20 years from now? Do Research!!!”

Why let the facts get in the way?