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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
173 (59.7%)

Total Members Voted: 289

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 200287 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1950 on: March 08, 2018, 11:58:38 AM »
250 families to fight schools to let in their children? Thats enough families to open your own schools. I'd call it
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1951 on: March 08, 2018, 12:25:21 PM »
Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition

Curious why they called it the opposite of what it's purpose is. should be Anti-vaxxers Coalition.

Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?

If in fact they are behind this, it's hard not to lose some respect.
Yes we can still respect their Torah related teachings, but a Rov should be trusted for other issues as well.
(I speak for myself).
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1952 on: March 08, 2018, 12:26:59 PM »

Yes we can still respect their Torah related teachings, but a Rov should be trusted for other issues as well.
(I speak for myself).
Speaking for myself as well, I agree.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1953 on: March 08, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »
Do people lose respect for gedolim that agree to stuff like this? Or is it a, they just don't know science how the world works outside torah type thing, but for torah related stuff they are still a gadol?

Famous question with the rambam and medicine, just wondering practically about now a days.
Some lost it before, this is just the straw
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1954 on: March 08, 2018, 12:36:05 PM »
All are obligated to assume the letter may not be authentic, unless proven otherwise.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1955 on: March 08, 2018, 12:57:05 PM »
Some lost it before, this is just another straw
FTFY
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1956 on: March 08, 2018, 12:58:11 PM »
Very complicated.. but let's not make "gedolim" out of rabonim and a Rosh yeshiva.
+1 Inheriting a yeshiva does not make someone a gadol.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1957 on: March 08, 2018, 12:59:00 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1958 on: March 08, 2018, 01:06:33 PM »
oh boy
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1959 on: March 08, 2018, 01:38:15 PM »

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1484691/life-threatening-coalition-attempting-to-form-in-lakewood-new-jersey-tens-of-thousands-at-risk.html

Got to love this comment:

kavod Habriot
March 8, 2018 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm
“Hey Lakewood! There’s no reason for you to panic parents for absolutely no reason. First of all what is unsafe for vaccinated kids to sit in a class with a few unvaccinated kids? If they are vaccinated than nothing should happen to them. Right? Doesn’t that make sense? Also, Nobody ever dies from the Measles… It’s Like saying the kid died from a big cold. They die from the horrible vaccine that consists of the most disgusting and unsafe ingredients that you can’t even imagine. We have more sick children out than ever before. The Children’s hospitals are packed. Whats Going On? Why? Arent, they vaccinated? Obviously, there’s something very wrong with our corrupt system. If you do some research you will find out that there’s a whole world out there that’s against this vaccination scam. It seems that in our neighborhoods we have to do whatever we are told to do because otherwise…. The doctors are making so much money & kickbacks from the pharma companies like you cant imagine. Yes, even the big doctors in LW wont admit it to you. How many patients do they all have? Try to do the math? Its gonna take a while. There’s plenty of reason for any smart or concerned parent to do some research before they load up their child’s bloodstream with all sorts of medication and drugs. Yes, The FDA website says vaccination is medication. Does Hashem bring down an unperfect baby to the world? Does he not know what he’s doing? Or are we taking a precious little baby and drugging them up because of all the pressures from others? Don’t fall for people or State/Government systems that have an agenda. It’s your Child! He may be okay after his vaccination today. However ho do you know it cant harm him in 20 years from now? Do Research!!!”

Why let the facts get in the way?



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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1960 on: March 08, 2018, 01:49:53 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1484691/life-threatening-coalition-attempting-to-form-in-lakewood-new-jersey-tens-of-thousands-at-risk.html

Got to love this comment:

kavod Habriot
March 8, 2018 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm
“Hey Lakewood! There’s no reason for you to panic parents for absolutely no reason. First of all what is unsafe for vaccinated kids to sit in a class with a few unvaccinated kids? If they are vaccinated than nothing should happen to them. Right? Doesn’t that make sense? Also, Nobody ever dies from the Measles… It’s Like saying the kid died from a big cold. They die from the horrible vaccine that consists of the most disgusting and unsafe ingredients that you can’t even imagine. We have more sick children out than ever before. The Children’s hospitals are packed. Whats Going On? Why? Arent, they vaccinated? Obviously, there’s something very wrong with our corrupt system. If you do some research you will find out that there’s a whole world out there that’s against this vaccination scam. It seems that in our neighborhoods we have to do whatever we are told to do because otherwise…. The doctors are making so much money & kickbacks from the pharma companies like you cant imagine. Yes, even the big doctors in LW wont admit it to you. How many patients do they all have? Try to do the math? Its gonna take a while. There’s plenty of reason for any smart or concerned parent to do some research before they load up their child’s bloodstream with all sorts of medication and drugs. Yes, The FDA website says vaccination is medication. Does Hashem bring down an unperfect baby to the world? Does he not know what he’s doing? Or are we taking a precious little baby and drugging them up because of all the pressures from others? Don’t fall for people or State/Government systems that have an agenda. It’s your Child! He may be okay after his vaccination today. However ho do you know it cant harm him in 20 years from now? Do Research!!!”

Why let the facts get in the way?


Here's another jem.

People who use vaccinations show that they lack complete emunah in Hashem’s refuah. True ma’aminim will avoid vaccinations and medicines in general. Ani Hashem rofecha, ani vlo malacha, ani vlo rofeh.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1961 on: March 08, 2018, 01:55:18 PM »
Here's another jem.

People who use vaccinations show that they lack complete emunah in Hashem’s refuah. True ma’aminim will avoid vaccinations and medicines in general. Ani Hashem rofecha, ani vlo malacha, ani vlo rofeh.

How do they justify going to alternative medicine doctors. I know of one lady in town who has lines out the door of anti- vaccine patients coming for adjustments and the like. What happened to Ani vilo rofeh?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1962 on: March 08, 2018, 01:56:23 PM »
How do they justify going to alternative medicine doctors. I know of one lady in town who has lines out the door of anti- vaccine patients coming for adjustments and the like. What happened to Ani vilo rofeh?
That aside, they missed one little point - hishtadlus
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1963 on: March 08, 2018, 01:58:14 PM »
Oh please. these ywn comments are just trolls

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1964 on: March 08, 2018, 02:39:33 PM »
Oh please. these ywn comments are just trolls
If they are they are paraphrasing similar statements I’ve heard from true believers over the years.