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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


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Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2055 on: April 12, 2018, 08:48:24 AM »
This is so wrong on many different levels. CYA to the extreme. This guy is an idiot. He sounds like he was a professional witness all his career. Obviously never heard of hearsay. This whole controversy is 15th hand information.
What's the controversy?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2056 on: April 12, 2018, 08:56:45 AM »
What's the controversy?
The should you, or should you not, vaccinate controversy. This video does not set forth any admissible evidence. I fail to see the purpose in posting this. I personally agree with him that you should vaccinate. But what are you trying to prove. Building proof from a conversation with R' Malkiel that R' Akiva Tatz it a good and trustworthy guy who quoted R' Elyashiv and R' Chaim Kanievsky. This is not a Rav Chaim that needs to clarify a Rambam that is a built on 2 gemaras that dont agree with each other. What I'm saying is that this exercise in mental gymnastics is pointless and irrelevant.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2057 on: April 12, 2018, 09:02:44 AM »
The should you, or should you not, vaccinate controversy. This video does not set forth any admissible evidence. I fail to see the purpose in posting this. I personally agree with him that you should vaccinate. But what are you trying to prove. Building proof from a conversation with R' Malkiel that R' Akiva Tatz it a good and trustworthy guy who quoted R' Elyashiv and R' Chaim Kanievsky. This is not a Rav Chaim that needs to clarify a Rambam that is a built on 2 gemaras that dont agree with each other. What I'm saying is that this exercise in mental gymnastics is pointless and irrelevant.

But so Lakewood.
He's talking to people on their level. I'm not convinced listening to gedolim will change anyone's mind nor that what a frum doctor vs every other doctor in the world says will change anyone's mind either. But I personally applaud his effort.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2058 on: April 12, 2018, 09:33:03 AM »
The should you, or should you not, vaccinate controversy. This video does not set forth any admissible evidence. I fail to see the purpose in posting this. I personally agree with him that you should vaccinate. But what are you trying to prove. Building proof from a conversation with R' Malkiel that R' Akiva Tatz it a good and trustworthy guy who quoted R' Elyashiv and R' Chaim Kanievsky. This is not a Rav Chaim that needs to clarify a Rambam that is a built on 2 gemaras that dont agree with each other. What I'm saying is that this exercise in mental gymnastics is pointless and irrelevant.

But so Lakewood.
He is talking to a specific group of misguided people.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2059 on: April 12, 2018, 09:41:03 AM »
He's talking to people on their level. I'm not convinced listening to gedolim will change anyone's mind nor that what a frum doctor vs every other doctor in the world says will change anyone's mind either. But I personally applaud his effort.
Dumb it down for dummies.
He is talking to a specific group of misguided people.
I dont think any amount of talking to people who have made up their mind based on crock evidence will do anything. Especially this line of reasoning.

This is not a shtickel gemara where you bring proofs.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2060 on: April 12, 2018, 09:47:39 AM »
Dumb it down for dummies. I dont think any amount of talking to people who have made up their mind based on crock evidence will do anything. Especially this line of reasoning.

This is not a shtickel gemara where you bring proofs.
He is talking to those who are on the brink.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2061 on: April 12, 2018, 10:00:41 AM »
He is talking to a specific group of misguided people.

Iím guessing itís to drive home the point that Rav Chaimís actual position is that vaccination is a Chiluba despite widely publicized quotes from him that schools cannot kick out anti- vaxers.....

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2062 on: April 12, 2018, 10:17:14 AM »
He is talking to those who are on the brink.
+1

For every anti-vaxer, there are another 2 people considering it.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2063 on: April 12, 2018, 10:50:55 AM »
The elephant in the room is that he didn't disclose what RMK came for and what his position is on the issue. He quotes RMK approval of RT as an admission that RMK has to admit that vax is a chiyuv. Vd"l

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2064 on: April 12, 2018, 12:22:45 PM »
The elephant in the room is that he didn't disclose what RMK came for and what his position is on the issue. He quotes RMK approval of RT as an admission that RMK has to admit that vax is a chiyuv. Vd"l

Does RMK not have a publicly known opinion?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2065 on: April 12, 2018, 12:25:41 PM »
Does RMK not have a publicly known opinion?
It is common for him to not make his opinion publicly known on these things which will make him get flak no matter what he says.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2066 on: April 12, 2018, 12:33:45 PM »
It is common for him to not make his opinion publicly known on these things which will make him get flak no matter what he says.

Does he have a public opinion on the roundness of the earth?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2067 on: April 12, 2018, 12:43:11 PM »
Does he have a public opinion on the roundness of the earth?
Ask him.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2068 on: April 12, 2018, 12:59:29 PM »
Does he have a public opinion on the roundness of the earth?

The earth is not round.
It is an ellipsoid.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2069 on: April 12, 2018, 02:23:35 PM »
The earth is not round.
It is an ellipsoid.
Only N-S not E-W
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