Vaccine Discussion Master Thread

[az]

i would think that liberals are more likely to vaccinate

[Yehuda57]

i would think that liberals are more likely to vaccinate

California laughs at your thoughts

https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/immunizations/Pages/Across-America.aspx

[zh cohen]

i would think that liberals are more likely to vaccinate

You mean you bought into the whole "party of science" nonsense?

[Yehuda57]

You mean you bought into the whole "party of science" nonsense?

The Daily Show on vaccines:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/g1lev1/an-outbreak-of-liberal-idiocy

[skyguy918]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/read-roald-dahls-heart-rending-endorsement-of-measles-v-1682995322

[aygart]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/
 

[shwarmabob]

Is the flu strain different in Israel than the US? Is it helpful to get the US vaccine if someone is going to be in Israel during the flu season?

[yesitsme]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/david-salamone-who-contracted-polio-from-vaccine-and-helped-spur-changes-in-us-immunization-policy-dies-at-28/2018/09/15/5e86319e-b8f8-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

[yesitsme]

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1600430/

The illness appears to be making a return as there are many people who refuse to have their children vaccinated.

[yesitsme]

The current measles outbreak is a wake up call for all those lunatics.

https://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2018/2018-10-13_potential_measles_exposures.htm

[henche]

Get the flu vaccine that isn't made in eggs. It works better https://www.statnews.com/2018/03/09/cell-culture-flu-vaccine-flucelvax/

[jj1000]

"I am a Pediatric Emergency Physician at Joe DiMaggio Children's Hospital and my wife is a Registered Nurse. I am also a Parent myself.

Vaccines SAVE lives, this is FACT. Look at REAL statistics on polio, measles, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis, HIB, pneumococcal, etc and how many lives were lost (or serious affected for life) before and after. The numbers DONT lie.

Autism is NOT caused by vaccines. Proof: Andrew Wakefield USED to be a British Doctor before he had his medical license revoked. He published in 1998 in Lancet (one of the best Medical Journals in the World) an article that suggested that vaccines cause Autism. ALL repeat studies, research and tests NEVER found this connection. Repeat meta-analysis in 2014 and 2017 also proved NO connection. If you want to take your medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or other celebrities and people who are ignorant, then good luck to you. If you want to take it from people that are MUCH smarter than me such as Scientists, Researchers, Doctors, etc then you should know this fact.

And also, there is NO such thing as a "religious exemption" or mercury/other metal poisonings from vaccines. Or other excuses that people come up with. That is all ways of getting kids NOT to vaccinate for schools.

ALL schools (and everyone) should have mandates to vaccinate. Period.

I have personally seen or cared for too many kids DIE or end up with SERIOUS morbities myself and I have only been practicing medicine for more than  7 years.
And there are outbreaks left and right because of people who think they will be vaccinated by the "herd" immunity or "by association". This is FALSE too - especially in the Jewish communities.

Now, to be fair, NOTHING is without a possible side effect or complication. To believe otherwise would be stupid, in my opinion. Even vaccines have possible side effects like ALL things (too much water, vitamins, eating vegetarian, too much exercise, all have some side effects and serious morbidities/death too) can cause fever, rash, seizures, GBS, allergic reaction, etc. BUT, even the Rebbe believes and agrees with doing something (vaccines) if the benefit (health and/or protection) is more than the harm (serious morbidity and/or mortality). Which it IS, obviously!

Vaccines are LIFE-SAVERS. Look at the science, the numbers, and research. That doesn't LIE."

From my shul chat. Nothing new, just posting here for posterity's sake.

[henche]

"I am a Pediatric Emergency Physician at Joe DiMaggio Children's Hospital and my wife is a Registered Nurse. I am also a Parent myself.

Vaccines SAVE lives, this is FACT. Look at REAL statistics on polio, measles, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis, HIB, pneumococcal, etc and how many lives were lost (or serious affected for life) before and after. The numbers DONT lie.

Autism is NOT caused by vaccines. Proof: Andrew Wakefield USED to be a British Doctor before he had his medical license revoked. He published in 1998 in Lancet (one of the best Medical Journals in the World) an article that suggested that vaccines cause Autism. ALL repeat studies, research and tests NEVER found this connection. Repeat meta-analysis in 2014 and 2017 also proved NO connection. If you want to take your medical advice from Jenny McCarthy or other celebrities and people who are ignorant, then good luck to you. If you want to take it from people that are MUCH smarter than me such as Scientists, Researchers, Doctors, etc then you should know this fact.

And also, there is NO such thing as a "religious exemption" or mercury/other metal poisonings from vaccines. Or other excuses that people come up with. That is all ways of getting kids NOT to vaccinate for schools.

ALL schools (and everyone) should have mandates to vaccinate. Period.

I have personally seen or cared for too many kids DIE or end up with SERIOUS morbities myself and I have only been practicing medicine for more than  7 years.
And there are outbreaks left and right because of people who think they will be vaccinated by the "herd" immunity or "by association". This is FALSE too - especially in the Jewish communities.

Now, to be fair, NOTHING is without a possible side effect or complication. To believe otherwise would be stupid, in my opinion. Even vaccines have possible side effects like ALL things (too much water, vitamins, eating vegetarian, too much exercise, all have some side effects and serious morbidities/death too) can cause fever, rash, seizures, GBS, allergic reaction, etc. BUT, even the Rebbe believes and agrees with doing something (vaccines) if the benefit (health and/or protection) is more than the harm (serious morbidity and/or mortality). Which it IS, obviously!

Vaccines are LIFE-SAVERS. Look at the science, the numbers, and research. That doesn't LIE."

From my shul chat. Nothing new, just posting here for posterity's sake.

Is the bolded accurate? It linked to a long article that was by someone other than the rebbe.

[zh cohen]

Is the bolded accurate? It linked to a long article that was by someone other than the rebbe.

In that article there are quotes from several of the Rebbe's letters endorsing vaccinations.

When the polio vaccine was being implemented in Israel, there were those who turned to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson, of righteous memory, for his opinion. The following is a sampling of his replies.

In the winter of 1957 the Rebbe wrote a reply, pointing out that he was hurrying to do so because of the prime importance of the issue at hand:

. . Regarding your question about inoculations against disease:

I am surprised by your question, since so many individuals from the Land of Israel have asked me about this and I have answered them in the affirmative, since the overwhelming majority of individuals do so here [in the United States] successfully.

Understandably, if there are inoculations that are produced by multiple pharmaceutical companies, you should use the ones whose product has been safely tried and proven.10

In the spring of 1956 the Rebbe wrote:

. . In reply to your letter in which you ask my opinion about the injections that are commonly given to young children:

It is with regard to matters such as these that the axiom “Do not set yourself apart from the community” applies. You should act according to that which is done by [the parents of] the majority of children who are in your children’s classes . . .11

Even as the polio vaccine effectively eliminated the dreaded disease, there were instances where faulty shots actually brought about illness. In a letter from the winter of 1957, the Rebbe addressed this issue:

. . The event that occurred in the United States was at the beginning of the use of these vaccines, before the [exact] medical compound was definitively established. This is not the case at present, after months of experience with the vaccine.

Therefore, once a vaccine’s reliability is firmly established, there is no worry. To the contrary . . .

[cmey]

http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2018/10/op-ed-the-anti-vaccination-disgrace.html

[yesitsme]

https://cdn-blob-prd.azureedge.net/prd-pws/docs/default-source/default-document-library/immunization-chart-for-families-yiddish.pdf?sfvrsn=653db4da_2

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/public/dohmhnews-printable17-04-yi.pdf

[cmey]

Baby DIES of measles. Is there an Ir Miklat they can send these anti vaxers to?
http://matzav.com/infant-dies-of-measles-in-yerushalayim/

[Yehuda57]

Baby DIES of measles. Is there an Ir Miklat they can send these anti vaxers to?
http://matzav.com/infant-dies-of-measles-in-yerushalayim/

BDE

[yesitsme]

no.

[yesitsme]

250 families to fight schools to let in their children? Thats enough families to open your own schools. I'd call it
מוסדות הורים בלי שכל, אפילו כחודו של מחט

Well said