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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 551489 times)

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"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2122 on: November 01, 2018, 07:04:48 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2123 on: November 01, 2018, 07:06:00 PM »
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"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2124 on: November 01, 2018, 07:54:30 PM »
https://www.vosizneias.com/308950/2018/11/01/brooklyn-ny-yeshiva-sued-by-anti-vaxxer-parents-for-refusing-to-admit-their-child/ mind boggeling!!

Here is what I don’t understand about this lawsuit:

Even if you believe that you are 100% right about your anti-vax position, don’t you realize that almost EVERYONE else in that school is pro-vaccine and they DON’T want their children exposed to unvaccinated kids?

Where does this “I’m the king and you must let my kids in” mentality come from?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2125 on: November 01, 2018, 08:20:45 PM »
Here is what I don’t understand about this lawsuit:

Even if you believe that you are 100% right about your anti-vax position, don’t you realize that almost EVERYONE else in that school is pro-vaccine and they DON’T want their children exposed to unvaccinated kids?

Where does this “I’m the king and you must let my kids in” mentality come from?

What if a boy decides to wear s dress and attend yeshiva

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2126 on: November 01, 2018, 09:15:07 PM »
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2127 on: November 01, 2018, 09:28:21 PM »
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)
I don't know much but what comes to mind is הכל בידי שמים חוץ מצינים ופחים.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2128 on: November 01, 2018, 09:33:20 PM »
I don't know much but what comes to mind is הכל בידי שמים חוץ מצינים ופחים.
true point

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2129 on: November 02, 2018, 03:43:56 PM »
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)
Some things are just common dam sense and don't need a source.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2130 on: November 02, 2018, 04:05:47 PM »
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)

It's not gemara, but ונשמרתם מאוד לנפשותיחם is a pretty good source.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2131 on: November 02, 2018, 04:37:44 PM »
Some things are just common dam sense and don't need a source.
so "common dam sense" was the basis of R' elyashiv's teshuva?
"mikan shenitan reshus l'rofeh" was unnecessary?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2132 on: November 03, 2018, 08:27:10 PM »
"mikan shenitan reshus l'rofeh" was unnecessary?

There are religions that believe that because G-d is in control we should not do anything to heal. "Ve'rapo Y'rape" tells us that this is not the Jewish approach

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2133 on: November 03, 2018, 08:45:14 PM »
There are religions that believe that because G-d is in control we should not do anything to heal. "Ve'rapo Y'rape" tells us that this is not the Jewish approach
exactly. i was just pointing out that it would be "common sense" too, but we still need a pasuk.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2135 on: November 03, 2018, 10:19:57 PM »
so "common dam sense" was the basis of R' elyashiv's teshuva?
"mikan shenitan reshus l'rofeh" was unnecessary?
No teshuva was necessary. Only because of fringe lunatics..

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2136 on: November 03, 2018, 10:26:15 PM »
No teshuva was necessary. Only because of fringe lunatics..
he still gave a basis when he wrote the teshuva, i'm sure. and it probably was not "common sense".

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2137 on: November 04, 2018, 12:45:32 AM »
where does " R' Chaim said not to vaccinate" come from?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2138 on: November 04, 2018, 07:10:56 AM »
where does " R' Chaim said not to vaccinate" come from?
Never happened

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2139 on: November 04, 2018, 08:04:04 AM »
Never happened
didnt think so, where is it coming from?