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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


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Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2140 on: November 04, 2018, 09:43:17 AM »
Quote from: chinagel on November 04, 2018, 08:04:04 AM
didnt think so, where is it coming from?
You yourself quoted his father in law. You don't really believe he said it.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2141 on: November 05, 2018, 08:59:00 AM »
is anyone a patient of DR. Eli Eileinberg Lakewood nj?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2142 on: November 05, 2018, 02:06:18 PM »
Quote from: plainbachur on November 05, 2018, 08:59:00 AM
is anyone a patient of DR. Eli Eileinberg Lakewood nj?
He has antivaxxers
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2143 on: November 05, 2018, 10:26:42 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2144 on: November 05, 2018, 10:49:31 PM »
Quote from: chinagel on November 01, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)

How about the bible... does that count?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2145 on: November 05, 2018, 11:10:38 PM »
Quote from: gingyguy on November 05, 2018, 10:26:42 PM


I keep hearing from so many people who think this 21 day no school thing is a punishment- not understanding that it's a prevention.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2146 on: November 05, 2018, 11:50:20 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2147 on: November 06, 2018, 08:21:51 AM »
Quote from: chinagel on November 01, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
just curious, what is the source for doing something to prevent sickness in gemara?
(mikan shenitan reshus... should only be to heal)
why does it say not? maybe you need a source saying you may not prevent a sickness...
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2148 on: November 06, 2018, 09:18:43 AM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2149 on: November 06, 2018, 10:53:24 AM »
Quote from: a good yeshiva bachur on November 06, 2018, 08:21:51 AM
why does it say not? maybe you need a source saying you may not prevent a sickness...
The same logic/philosophy that says you shouldn't cure a disease I think can be extended to not preventing a disease.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2150 on: November 06, 2018, 11:00:43 AM »
Quote from: Definitions on November 06, 2018, 10:53:24 AM
The same logic/philosophy that says you shouldn't cure a disease I think can be extended to not preventing a disease.
It's not that simple, there is a legitimate question to ask what is included in hishtadlus.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2151 on: November 06, 2018, 11:36:28 AM »
Quote from: Definitions on November 06, 2018, 10:53:24 AM
The same logic/philosophy that says you shouldn't cure a disease I think can be extended to not preventing a disease.
so one shouldnt wear a coat in the freezing cold?!
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2152 on: November 06, 2018, 05:15:41 PM »
This is embarrassing. So much for being a light unto the nations.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/06/health/measles-outbreak-nyc-israel/index.html
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2153 on: November 10, 2018, 09:53:36 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2154 on: November 11, 2018, 12:22:01 AM »
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Richard H. Roberts, M.D., Ph.D. says:
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Rav Shach asks that you will trust a physician to tell you to eat on Yom Kippur but you won’t trust him when he says that you must vaccinate?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2155 on: November 11, 2018, 12:47:20 AM »
Quote from: cmey on November 10, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
Wow. Rich Roberts goes nuclear!
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2018/11/exclusive-video-dr-rich-roberts-takes-on-the-anti-vaxxers-as-measles-cases-rise-in-lakewood-engages-top-law-firm.html
What's with targeting doctors and threating them getting prosecuted ?
How is this a helpful video at all?
Why not talk about the facts of vaccinating? The benefits? The risks? What was the purpose of this video exactly?


Who is this guy by the way?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2156 on: November 11, 2018, 12:58:38 AM »
Quote from: Dan on November 06, 2018, 05:15:41 PM
This is embarrassing. So much for being a light unto the nations.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/06/health/measles-outbreak-nyc-israel/index.html
I am not against vaccines but at the same time there are legitimate concerns with vaccines.  I wish there would be more research into vaccines in general and more work on getting them to be administered in healthier ways.   Also, the fact that vaccine makers can't be sued doesn't sit well with me and just adds to my concerns and doubts.

That being said after speaking to many people in the more religious communities in Israel I really believe that many people don't get their kids vaccinated out of sheer lack of time, laziness, not keeping on top of things etc. And the rest of them are just straight out anti vaccines.


I don't believe at this point that we shouldn't be giving kids vaccines (though there are a couple I would potentially look into passing on such as the cervical cancer one but that's my personal opinion) but I do believe people should be asking more from their doctors about what's going into their kids bodies and why. There is definitely a lack of transparency and information being provided to parents.


When I take out a drug from the pharmacy I'm told what all the risks are.
When you want the same information on vaccines it's not that easy to obtain.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2157 on: November 11, 2018, 01:19:57 AM »
Quote from: sky121 on November 11, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
What's with targeting doctors and threating them getting prosecuted ?
How is this a helpful video at all?
Why not talk about the facts of vaccinating? The benefits? The risks? What was the purpose of this video exactly?


Who is this guy by the way?

Who is Rich Roberts? I’m guessing you haven’t been out to Lakewood much.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2158 on: November 11, 2018, 01:27:45 AM »
Quote from: cmey on November 11, 2018, 01:19:57 AM
Who is Rich Roberts? I’m guessing you haven’t been out to Lakewood much.
Nope. Whoever he may be do people think this video is informative or has a purpose? I'm asking sincerely.   Trying to figure out what he was trying to accomplish exactly and who he's gearing this video towards.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2159 on: November 11, 2018, 02:16:11 AM »
Quote from: sky121 on November 11, 2018, 01:27:45 AM
Nope. Whoever he may be do people think this video is informative or has a purpose? I'm asking sincerely.   Trying to figure out what he was trying to accomplish exactly and who he's gearing this video towards.
+1 the video gave absolutely no information about anything important.
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