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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
117 (37.5%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
190 (60.9%)

Total Members Voted: 310

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #240 on: January 27, 2013, 03:35:59 PM »
Why did you choose the shot over the mist?
im in israel....i wonder if they even know what that is here  :(
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #241 on: January 27, 2013, 03:37:06 PM »
im in israel....i wonder if they even know what that is here  :(
Did you ask?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #242 on: January 27, 2013, 03:42:10 PM »
im in israel....i wonder if they even know what that is here  :(
they have it here too.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #243 on: January 27, 2013, 04:56:20 PM »
Did you ask?
No... Didnt even cross my mind.  :(  but dr said it has been much more common this yr that ppl have gotten the full blown flu after the shot.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #244 on: January 27, 2013, 04:57:48 PM »
they have it here too.
i went to he muchedet in arzie - the Russian lady barely wanted to give it to me. She was on her iPad looking at cats
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #245 on: January 27, 2013, 05:12:10 PM »
No... Didnt even cross my mind.  :(  but dr said it has been much more common this yr that ppl have gotten the full blown flu after the shot.
It's impossible to get the flu from getting the shot.
You can get a fever and such, but not the flu.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #246 on: January 27, 2013, 05:16:31 PM »
It's impossible to get the flu from getting the shot.
You can get a fever and such, but not the flu.
this is what he told me. I happen to have just fever and the aches and pains. But he thinks i might have strep bec my immune system was low so it was more prone to get it
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #247 on: January 27, 2013, 10:09:35 PM »
It's impossible to get the flu from getting the shot.
If you take FluMist (live virus) and then a day or two later get the flu how do you know it did not cause it?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #248 on: January 28, 2013, 12:56:23 AM »
Why in the world not? vaccines have been around since the 1950's? But in general this is a bogus claim that is often used by conspiracy theorists. We know what is in the vaccines and how they affect the body and how soon they are expelled form the body. That alone gives scientists the tools to asses whether any future effects could be had. (They can't)

The flu vaccine as an annual recommendation by the CDC for all ages is fairly new, as far as I know. See http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/October-2012/Influenza-Deaths--The-Hype-vs--The-Evidence.aspx for a good timeline as well as some other useful info. The flumist is even newer!
As far as vaccines being around since 50's, I'm sure they've been around a lot longer than that, but for my age group it's more relevant to compare the last 30 years... http://www.drmomma.org/2011/01/cdc-mandatory-vaccine-schedule-1983-vs.html
The long term effects of the increase in vaccinations (and the annual flu shot) won't be known for a long time.
Are you sure that you know what is in the vaccines and what they may do to a person? (I'm not talking about MD's vs quack conspiracy theorists, I was wondering if you ever looked into what is in vaccines, or was it a generic we?)
Do they have studies on how soon they are expelled from the body?

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #249 on: January 28, 2013, 01:31:45 AM »
I got the shot for free :)

I iy"H try to get it every year
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #250 on: January 28, 2013, 03:05:17 AM »
It's impossible to get the flu from getting the shot.
You can get a fever and such, but not the flu.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #251 on: January 28, 2013, 03:19:05 AM »
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #252 on: January 28, 2013, 04:05:27 AM »
Rots - I didn't get the shot, and I an feeling awful yesterday and today. :(

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Re: Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #253 on: January 28, 2013, 04:06:30 AM »
Rots - I didn't get the shot, and I an feeling awful yesterday and today. :(

+1 same by me :-[
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #254 on: January 28, 2013, 04:08:45 AM »
I went to terem and b"h they didn't find anything wrong.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #255 on: January 28, 2013, 06:34:30 PM »
i got the flu shot and if i dont have the flu then uts flu like symptoms :(

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #256 on: January 28, 2013, 06:39:09 PM »
Some hospitals require employees to get shots and even provide it for them. A hospital is there to TRY and make money, so I do not see the point in spending money on vaccines if they do not truly find them effective. I think the cost provides them with the benefit that they know it will keep their patients from acquiring it from the staff (which they will have to pay out of pocket because it is hospital acquired).
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #257 on: January 28, 2013, 07:05:13 PM »
+1. Same applies to insurance companies.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #258 on: January 29, 2013, 02:52:47 AM »
Some hospitals require employees to get shots and even provide it for them. A hospital is there to TRY and make money, so I do not see the point in spending money on vaccines if they do not truly find them effective. I think the cost provides them with the benefit that they know it will keep their patients from acquiring it from the staff (which they will have to pay out of pocket because it is hospital acquired).
actually hospitals get funding for giving them(and the staff are usually required to get them on their own accord),
no one said that they don't work, only that they have adverse retractions, and even that the risks out-way the benefits,
and most of all they don't have an opinion, rather they go by the book!
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #259 on: January 29, 2013, 09:46:17 PM »
actually hospitals get funding for giving them(and the staff are usually required to get them on their own accord),
no one said that they don't work, only that they have adverse retractions, and even that the risks out-way the benefits,
and most of all they don't have an opinion, rather they go by the book!
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How is it possible to do research when people like you discredit all reputable sources as not being truthful and champion every conspiracy nut/ activist out there?