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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 271714 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2550 on: April 18, 2019, 09:06:40 PM »
Can't he disagree and still know where the parent is coming from? Even if he thinks the parent is wrong?
No, not allowed
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2551 on: April 19, 2019, 12:21:31 AM »
Can't he disagree and still know where the parent is coming from? Even if he thinks the parent is wrong?
I personally canít understand anyone who has that view. I also think that they (Agudah) have handled this whole situation very poorly. A quote like this to tabletmag does no one favors. But maybe you are right and I am just upset.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2552 on: April 19, 2019, 12:25:36 AM »
I guess we know what his position is.
Can you post the link? I'd like to see the full article.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2553 on: April 19, 2019, 02:44:12 AM »
I personally canít understand anyone who has that view. I also think that they (Agudah) have handled this whole situation very poorly. A quote like this to tabletmag does no one favors. But maybe you are right and I am just upset.
I agree. Their statement was totally unhelpful as well. Instead of a directive to their constituents to vaccinate they went the route of "anyone who says Jews don't vaccinate its an anti semite" which helps no one

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2554 on: April 19, 2019, 06:07:43 AM »
Can you post the link? I'd like to see the full article.

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/283472/hasidic-community-health-emergency

I agree. Their statement was totally unhelpful as well. Instead of a directive to their constituents to vaccinate they went the route of "anyone who says Jews don't vaccinate its an anti semite" which helps no one

Itís truly sad to see the Agudah acting so ineptly.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2555 on: April 19, 2019, 07:34:57 AM »
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/283472/hasidic-community-health-emergency

Itís truly sad to see the Agudah acting so ineptly.
"Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, the rosh yeshiva of the Talmudical Yeshiva of Philadelphia, and his wife, Temi, write and lecture on the Jewish anti-vax circuit, according to a 2014 article in the Baltimore Jewish Times that quoted him. To further exacerbate the problem, in 2015 Rabbi Kamenetsky signed a letter authorizing rabbis of Lakewood, New Jerseyís Beth Medrash Govoha(BMG) to admit unvaccinated children.  And even a cursory search of the web reveals that Rabbi Kamenetsky isnít the only Jewish religious authority who claims Halacha is on his side.
Of course, Rabbi Kamenetsky neednít rely on Jewish law to justify his views when it would be just as easy, perhaps easier, to find justifications in secular society. Just this week, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Childrenís Health Defensegroup filed for a temporary restraining order against the New York City Department of Health on behalf of five parents of unvaccinated children, citing ďviolation of petitionersí rights under the United States Constitution and New York State law.Ē This is not the first time that pseudoscience and health fads of the larger culture have found their way into insular Jewish communities, and it is unlikely to be the last, but what a strange shidduch it makes."

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2556 on: April 19, 2019, 03:52:58 PM »
Can't he disagree and still know where the parent is coming from? Even if he thinks the parent is wrong?
Not really
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2557 on: April 22, 2019, 09:50:45 AM »
"Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, the rosh yeshiva of the Talmudical Yeshiva of Philadelphia, and his wife, Temi, write and lecture on the Jewish anti-vax circuit, according to a 2014 article in the Baltimore Jewish Times that quoted him. To further exacerbate the problem, in 2015 Rabbi Kamenetsky signed a letter authorizing rabbis of Lakewood, New Jerseyís Beth Medrash Govoha(BMG) to admit unvaccinated children.  And even a cursory search of the web reveals that Rabbi Kamenetsky isnít the only Jewish religious authority who claims Halacha is on his side.
Of course, Rabbi Kamenetsky neednít rely on Jewish law to justify his views when it would be just as easy, perhaps easier, to find justifications in secular society. Just this week, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his Childrenís Health Defensegroup filed for a temporary restraining order against the New York City Department of Health on behalf of five parents of unvaccinated children, citing ďviolation of petitionersí rights under the United States Constitution and New York State law.Ē This is not the first time that pseudoscience and health fads of the larger culture have found their way into insular Jewish communities, and it is unlikely to be the last, but what a strange shidduch it makes."

Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2558 on: April 22, 2019, 10:25:25 AM »
Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.
Calm down buddy
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2559 on: April 22, 2019, 10:51:38 AM »
Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.

Anyone who calls him ďKemenetzkyĒ should consider himself to be in cheirem. Thatís how you speak about a gadol? His positions on vaccinations which I donít follow or agree with donít give you the right to degrade him like that .Feh.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2560 on: April 22, 2019, 08:37:28 PM »
The shul in Washington DC

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2561 on: April 28, 2019, 09:19:42 AM »
Rav moshe shternbuch letter to Rav malkiel. I wonder why he didnít write it to Rav Shmuel as well..

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2562 on: April 28, 2019, 09:49:05 AM »
Rav moshe shternbuch letter to Rav malkiel. I wonder why he didnít write it to Rav Shmuel as well..
If you read the letter, it's obvious he was responding to R' Malkiel.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2563 on: April 28, 2019, 09:52:37 AM »
If you read the letter, it's obvious he was responding to R' Malkiel.
Fair point

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2564 on: April 29, 2019, 01:03:57 AM »
Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.
And who the hell do you think you are?
Life is as good as you make it...