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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.7%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
185 (60.7%)

Total Members Voted: 304

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262557 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2565 on: April 29, 2019, 07:47:05 AM »
Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.

What the hell is wrong with you?!? Who talks this way about a Gadol?You may be anonymous on here but G-d knows exactly who you are.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2566 on: April 29, 2019, 09:50:16 AM »
Kamenetzky should be put in cherem until he reverses this position. This is many times worse than Mesira... He is enabling Rodfim.
I appologize for the tone of this post. I strongly disagree with Rav Kamenetzky's position on vaccines, and though my views are strong on this topic, I understand that it is not productive to post them so strongly and in such a public forum, especially due to the mix of people from various communities who hold differing opinions on the correct way to respond to various Rabbonim's opinions on vaccinations.

I'm personally not able to delete my original post, but ask that the mods do if they feel it is appropriate to do so.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2567 on: April 29, 2019, 10:02:28 AM »
I appologize for the tone of this post. I strongly disagree with Rav Kamenetzky's position on vaccines, and though my views are strong on this topic, I understand that it is not productive to post them so strongly and in such a public forum, especially due to the mix of people from various communities who hold differing opinions on the correct way to respond to various Rabbonim's opinions on vaccinations.

I'm personally not able to delete my original post, but ask that the mods do if they feel it is appropriate to do so.
Issue isnít your views on vaccines. Issue is your reference to one of the gedolei hador as Kamenetzky, as if he was your buddy from camp. Itís no problem if you post your opposing views as strongly as you like, so long as you give him the proper respect.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2569 on: April 29, 2019, 08:23:25 PM »
People love to argue.  Love to hate.   It's the reason someone is able to get to the point that they are bashing a gadol when they disagree strongly with his views. It's the reason people can barely discuss this topic respectfully with anyone with any slight difference of opinion.

"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2570 on: April 29, 2019, 08:25:31 PM »
It's the reason people can barely discuss this topic respectfully with anyone with any slight difference of opinion.
I would beg to differ. This topic is so upsetting cause most of the anti arguments are either lies or selfishness. It's very frustrating to bear that in an argument...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2571 on: April 29, 2019, 08:29:44 PM »
I would beg to differ. This topic is so upsetting cause most of the anti arguments are either lies or selfishness. It's very frustrating to bear that in an argument...

Lies can be addressed if the other person is also respectful and wanting to actually have a discussion. You can't talk to anyone on *either side* if they aren't open to listening and respectful.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2572 on: April 29, 2019, 08:37:05 PM »
I appologize for the tone of this post. I strongly disagree with Rav Kamenetzky's position on vaccines, and though my views are strong on this topic, I understand that it is not productive to post them so strongly and in such a public forum, especially due to the mix of people from various communities who hold differing opinions on the correct way to respond to various Rabbonim's opinions on vaccinations.

I'm personally not able to delete my original post, but ask that the mods do if they feel it is appropriate to do so.

I probably feel as strongly about the anti vaxxers as you do but I would suggest you call RAV Kaminetsky and ask him mechila for the way you referred to him. I believe he is one of the more accessible Gedolim via phone unless things have changed since I last called him a couple years ago. If that is not an option consult your LOR as to how to make amends.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2573 on: April 29, 2019, 09:53:20 PM »
I appologize for the tone of this post. I strongly disagree with Rav Kamenetzky's position on vaccines, and though my views are strong on this topic, I understand that it is not productive to post them so strongly and in such a public forum, especially due to the mix of people from various communities who hold differing opinions on the correct way to respond to various Rabbonim's opinions on vaccinations.

I'm personally not able to delete my original post, but ask that the mods do if they feel it is appropriate to do so.
Dude. Your lost.

You literally wrote that one of the biggest leaders of our generation should be put in cherem bec. you can't understand what he says??

Your out of your mind...
Life is as good as you make it...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2574 on: April 29, 2019, 10:07:34 PM »
Always use an Amex, you'll thank me one day.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2575 on: April 30, 2019, 01:28:03 AM »
Dude. Your lost.

You literally wrote that one of the biggest leaders of our generation should be put in cherem bec. you can't understand what he says??

Your out of your mind...

He should be called to din Torah and sued if he calls for people to not vaccinate.

"The New York outbreak began in October and is now the longest and largest outbreak in the Unites States since 2000. In all, more than 600 cases have been reported since October, mostly in ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhoods. It began when an unvaccinated child visited Israel, returned infected, then spread the disease to others, according to New York City health officials"

From CNN. The enourmess chilul hashem is one thing.

It's mind boggling for anyone to advocate not vaccinating and then spreading measels. One is mechate es harabim.

Rav kaminetzky may be a gadol and that's exactly why he has no excuse..


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2576 on: April 30, 2019, 09:06:59 AM »
Thing's never turn out well when we start to question what rabbanim say, and start calling them names....
Life is as good as you make it...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2578 on: April 30, 2019, 10:16:46 AM »
if he calls for people to not vaccinate.
Calls for? I don't think he does that.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2579 on: April 30, 2019, 10:21:13 AM »
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