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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 258031 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2580 on: April 30, 2019, 11:29:21 AM »
Calls for? I don't think he does that.

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The pamphlet quotes rabbis Shmuel Kamenetsky and Chaim Kanievsky saying that yeshivas should allow unvaccinated children to attend. Kanievsky is one of Israel’s most revered rabbis; Kamenetsky leads a major ultra-Orthodox yeshiva, and is a member of the rabbinical leadership council of Agudath Israel of America, a major umbrella organization and advocacy group for Orthodox Jews.

Kamenetsky is a longtime critic of vaccines. The Forward reported in 2014 that he had called vaccines a “hoax.”

Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/422339/anti-vaccine-pamphlet-ultra-orthodox-rabbis-new-york/

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2581 on: April 30, 2019, 11:31:07 AM »
Well-known Jewish legal expert Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky and his wife, Temi, are often cited for their anti-immunization stance, which was expressed in a 2014 Baltimore Jewish Times article: “Vaccines are a hoax. It is just big business,” Rabbi Kamenetsky was quoted as saying.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2582 on: April 30, 2019, 11:39:13 AM »
no matter what he says thinks or believes , you are playing with fire in a very literal sense if you talk disrespectfully about him.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2583 on: April 30, 2019, 11:46:34 AM »
no matter what he says thinks or believes , you are playing with fire in a very literal sense if you talk disrespectfully about him.
He was inserting quotes from the article he posted.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2584 on: April 30, 2019, 11:49:10 AM »
The biggest issue IMO is people who suddenly become talmidim of RSK because they like his shitta on vaccines. In other words did these people start following him before they were anti-vax or did they start following him because they are anti-vax.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2585 on: April 30, 2019, 02:36:27 PM »
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The pamphlet quotes rabbis Shmuel Kamenetsky and Chaim Kanievsky saying that yeshivas should allow unvaccinated children to attend. Kanievsky is one of Israel’s most revered rabbis; Kamenetsky leads a major ultra-Orthodox yeshiva, and is a member of the rabbinical leadership council of Agudath Israel of America, a major umbrella organization and advocacy group for Orthodox Jews.

Kamenetsky is a longtime critic of vaccines. The Forward reported in 2014 that he had called vaccines a “hoax.”

Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/422339/anti-vaccine-pamphlet-ultra-orthodox-rabbis-new-york/
When asked he gives his opinion. That is very different than pushing it.

Yes he is of the opinion that schools should not exclude children who are not vaccinated. That he is more adamant about.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2586 on: April 30, 2019, 02:44:14 PM »
When asked he gives his opinion. That is very different than pushing it.

Yes he is of the opinion that schools should not exclude children who are not vaccinated. That he is more adamant about.

No way! Based on the replies here, if he's a gadol hador he doesn't Just offer his opinion. People follow it as psak halacha. An opinion is where he States "this is my opinion but you should consult a doctor and research"

He can have an opinion on baseball, this is downright dangerous.

And read his very vocal comments

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2587 on: April 30, 2019, 04:12:11 PM »
No way! Based on the replies here, if he's a gadol hador he doesn't Just offer his opinion. People follow it as psak halacha. An opinion is where he States "this is my opinion but you should consult a doctor and research"

He can have an opinion on baseball, this is downright dangerous.

And read his very vocal comments

It is most certainly not halacha. It’s is a personal opinion that does not have the force of halacha behind it. The opinion of the overwhelming majority of physicians does.

Rav Chaim Kanievsky holds that men should not wear watches and girls should not be named Shira, among many things where the overwhelming majority of frum Jews do not follow him. Not everything is a psak that everyone is supposed to follow.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2588 on: April 30, 2019, 04:16:32 PM »
It is most certainly not halacha. It’s is a personal opinion that does not have the force of halacha behind it. The opinion of the overwhelming majority of physicians does.
If it was a personal opinion no one would care about his more than the next guy's.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2589 on: April 30, 2019, 04:20:58 PM »
If it was a personal opinion no one would care about his more than the next guy's.
And that's where you're wrong.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2590 on: April 30, 2019, 04:25:04 PM »
If it was a personal opinion no one would care about his more than the next guy's.
The difference is that when Rav Shmuel or Rav Chaim have an opinion it warrants some consideration based on who it’s coming from, but that is the extent of it. If I’m a nervous kind of guy, I’ll run it by my Daas Torah before rejecting it out of hand. If a random guy on DDF has an opinion I don’t give it a second glance.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2591 on: April 30, 2019, 04:34:43 PM »
If a random guy on DDF has an opinion I don’t give it a second glance.
You win DDFer of the day today! Yay!
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2592 on: May 01, 2019, 11:54:54 AM »
This whole thread should be deleted. It is sad that one of the leaders of our times gets bashed by a couple of people on here. Spewing your hate towards a Gadol on such a public forum is disgusting.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2593 on: May 01, 2019, 03:41:03 PM »
This whole thread should be deleted. It is sad that one of the leaders of our times gets bashed by a couple of people on here. Spewing your hate towards a Gadol on such a public forum is disgusting.

What are you talking about? I'm not allowed to question rabbi kaminetzky public stance on vaccination?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2594 on: May 01, 2019, 04:07:08 PM »
What are you talking about? I'm not allowed to question rabbi kaminetzky public stance on vaccination?
Question - yes
Bash -No
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