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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 307196 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2600 on: May 02, 2019, 12:41:01 PM »
I'm not disagreeing with him etc.. it's dangerous for him to voice his personal opinions. People do not differentiate.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2601 on: May 02, 2019, 07:41:54 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2602 on: May 02, 2019, 08:05:08 PM »

Don't know who he is. An expert in infectious diseases?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2603 on: May 03, 2019, 12:14:07 AM »
Don't know who he is. An expert in infectious diseases?
Nope. Just a run of the mill anti-vaxxer. Google him.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2604 on: May 03, 2019, 03:07:09 AM »
I stopped at 48 seconds in.  "In the fifties doctors recommended measles parties."

In the fifties there were no seat belt laws.  In the 1800's mercury was prescribed for illness.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2605 on: May 03, 2019, 10:36:38 AM »
I stopped at 48 seconds in.  "In the fifties doctors recommended measles parties."

In the fifties there were no seat belt laws.  In the 1800's mercury was prescribed for illness.

He also completely fails to talk about "herd immunity." Obviously he doesn't believe in it because herd immunity doesn't work in anti-vax circles.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2606 on: May 05, 2019, 12:39:23 AM »
He makes the assertion that the death rate of measles in modern civilized, societies is less than the death rate of measles in unsanitary, backwards countries like Africa.  Although this may sound reasonable, this is not fact.  There hasn't been enough cases of measles for the numbers to be statistically significant. 
There have been people hospitalized during this recent outbreak, but all B"H have survived.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2607 on: May 05, 2019, 04:07:27 PM »
He makes the assertion that the death rate of measles in modern civilized, societies is less than the death rate of measles in unsanitary, backwards countries like Africa.  Although this may sound reasonable, this is not fact.  There hasn't been enough cases of measles for the numbers to be statistically significant. 
There have been people hospitalized during this recent outbreak, but all B"H have survived.

Two in Israel may have suffered permanent brain damage.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-sounds-alarm-on-measles-after-el-al-flight-attendant-boy-slip-into-comas/

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2610 on: May 08, 2019, 07:28:31 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mongolian-couple-die-bubonic-plague-eating-marmot-triggers-quarantine

You do realize that black plauge killed most of the world?

"The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague or the Plague, or less commonly the Black Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351...""

"The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population.[7] In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million to 350375 million in the 14th century.[8] It took 200 years for the world population to recover to its previous level.[9][10] The plague recurred as outbreaks in Europe until the 19th century.."

Not related but it just shows how modern medicine like antibiotics and quarantine etc saves millions bh and how stupid some are or misguided.


People are just so stupid, if you read history and see that parents had 14-17 kids with few if any surviving?!? That the average person didn't reach 40. If you did reach 40 you were considered old..

Don't want to vax, go live in isolation. But non vaxxers who spread diseases are rodfim.

It's causing enourmess chilul hashem. Brings us back to the dark ages when Jews were falsely accused of spreading disease, in this case they are guilty. ..

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2611 on: May 08, 2019, 10:31:45 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/world/mongolian-couple-die-bubonic-plague-eating-marmot-triggers-quarantine

You do realize that black plauge killed most of the world?

"The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague or the Plague, or less commonly the Black Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351...""

"The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population.[7] In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million to 350375 million in the 14th century.[8] It took 200 years for the world population to recover to its previous level.[9][10] The plague recurred as outbreaks in Europe until the 19th century.."

Not related but it just shows how modern medicine like antibiotics and quarantine etc saves millions bh and how stupid some are or misguided.


People are just so stupid, if you read history and see that parents had 14-17 kids with few if any surviving?!? That the average person didn't reach 40. If you did reach 40 you were considered old..

Don't want to vax, go live in isolation. But non vaxxers who spread diseases are rodfim.

It's causing enourmess chilul hashem. Brings us back to the dark ages when Jews were falsely accused of spreading disease
You are totally right on everything you wrote
But I disagree with what you say-
in this case they are guilty. ..
that's totally wrong!! The measles break out came from Ukraine, and percentage there are the same amount of Ani vaxxers buy non-jews!
I'm going crazy, wanna come along?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2612 on: May 08, 2019, 11:11:41 AM »
You are totally right on everything you wrote
But I disagree with what you say- that's totally wrong!! The measles break out came from Ukraine, and percentage there are the same amount of Ani vaxxers buy non-jews!
And how does it spread?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2613 on: May 08, 2019, 11:46:55 AM »
And how does it spread?
Jews mingle together much more than any other group, shul, family simchos etc.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2614 on: May 08, 2019, 11:48:25 AM »
Jews mingle together much more than any other group, shul, family simchos etc.
If there's a 95%+ vaccination rate it never gets to spread

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2615 on: May 08, 2019, 12:01:34 PM »
If there's a 95%+ vaccination rate it never gets to spread
The problem is that there's a very high rate of children in Orthodox communities and many children/infants were too young either for the first MMR or for the second one (as until very recently it was recommended at age 4-5), and children are more likely to get measles. And btw, Williamsburg schools has a 95+% vaccination rate.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2616 on: May 09, 2019, 05:52:48 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2617 on: May 09, 2019, 07:29:08 PM »
Can't he disagree and still know where the parent is coming from? Even if he thinks the parent is wrong?
I still fail to see what belief has to do with hard facts. I believe eating candy is good for me.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2618 on: May 09, 2019, 07:49:51 PM »
This is one of the success stories....

First set of pictures were on Chol Hamoed, followed by hospital pictures and bh today he returned home and we took him for a stroll in his carriage.
Please share these pictures with everyone and anyone.  The head of peds at SZ and an infectious disease doctor asked me to share these pictures.  He wants people to understand how an innocent baby can be a victim through no fault of his own.
Once again, endless thanks and eternal gratitude to all of you for sharing this difficult journey with our family.
Chodesh Tov  snd Bsoros Tovos always.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2619 on: May 10, 2019, 10:44:36 AM »
If there's a 95%+ vaccination rate it never gets to spread
That's not necessarily true. There is a concept called herd immunity which is believed to be reached somewhere between 90-95%, but 95% is not a magic number. If jewish people mingle much more than average, herd immunity may not be reached even at 95%
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.