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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
172 (59.5%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 193665 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2670 on: May 13, 2019, 10:41:41 PM »
Anyways- I have no need to get into an argument about all this.  But yeah, this topic def brings out the strong emotions in people. Eek!
It's been crazy.
IY"H I hope we can contain things and the numbers will stop growing.

And for anyone who comes across someone who doesn't believe in vaccinating... try to be smart and use some sechel as to how to go about getting that person to listen. Belittling people and anger won't get you far.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2671 on: May 13, 2019, 10:43:07 PM »
Anyways- I have no need to get into an argument about all this.  But yeah, this topic def brings out the strong emotions in people. Eek!
It's been crazy.
IY"H I hope we can contain things and the numbers will stop growing.

And for anyone who comes across someone who doesn't believe in vaccinating... try to be smart and use some sechel as to how to go about getting that person to listen. Anger won't get you far.
Sechel won't work in this situation
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2672 on: May 13, 2019, 10:45:38 PM »
Sechel won't work in this situation

As a whole.. nothing will "work", but for one on one... sechel and wit has way more of a chance than mocking and anger. That's all.

   
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2673 on: May 13, 2019, 10:48:23 PM »
As a whole.. nothing will "work", but for one on one... sechel and wit has way more of a chance than mocking and anger. That's all.

 
Won't work 1 to 1, as they are not here to listen they're here for 1 reason to fight like stupid idiots, to show the world... Not sure what they're trying to show
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2674 on: May 13, 2019, 10:51:25 PM »
I don't have anxiety about it. It's more a mistrust in the ingredients and reactions put into things.
It comes up less with vaccines and more with everyday medicines. I just have a general cautious about things like that. That's all.


I always feel like there are two kinds of people in the world.

One who gets prescribed a drug by a doctor and goes and fills it and takes it and the end.
And the other who gets prescribed something by a doctor and asks the doctors various questions about the drugs, about its side effects, how much it's needed, the smallest dose possible they could take, and reads up about the drug online etc.

I just fall under the second category. Not everyone does.

Some people pop Advil every other day and I'm the one who tries to only take any sort of pill only if really needed.
These are not prescription drugs. Not even close.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2675 on: May 13, 2019, 10:52:50 PM »

The problem with this whole thing is everyone is so emotional about it. I feel your anger coming through. It's amazing. And I believe in vaccinating! This is one of the worst parts of what this whole thing has caused.
Meh, I had a real rough day is all

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2677 on: May 13, 2019, 11:04:51 PM »
I believe in 1) vaccinating 2) on schedule and 3) dismissing people's concerns and/or the people who have concerns is counter-productive.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2678 on: May 13, 2019, 11:19:32 PM »
Why are they reaching out to folks on the above locals rather than Passaic, five towns, etc.? Perhaps because the latter have the education and access to information that makes them less likely to swallow the hogwash being peddled by the organizers?
In the Orthodox Jewish community it tilts heavily in that direction. Look at Williamsburg vs. Baltimore, for example and tell me which of the two has a large group of anti-vaxxers?
YCQ
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2019/flushing-school-closed-violating-coh-measles-order.page
Not disputing what appears to be the overall trend, but this school in Queens is solidly in the modern orthodox camp.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2680 on: May 13, 2019, 11:43:29 PM »
My father has a scientific and medical background. And 30+ year's as pharmacist, medical science and medical research.

@jj1000  and I were discussing a cure for pancan s4. The cure works for rats, my father tried to get them to give us the drug through right to try. They wouldn't. It just wasn't ready for humans. My father's cousin died at 58 z'l

Anyone who thinks they are smarter than modern. Medicine go join Steve jobs.

Sure we are hurting ourselves by chemicals, pollutants etc etc but I detest people blaming everything on modern medicine. Very few people lived passed 40 even 150 years ago.

Those mother's crying how vaccinations are killing their kids? Just look up genealogy from 1800's, maybe 2 of 10 survived. The queen of England buried 17 kids!!

You cannot argue with these people. It's true that I avoid floride but I'm hardly Dr strangelove paranoid

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2681 on: May 13, 2019, 11:50:37 PM »


Sure we are hurting ourselves by chemicals, pollutants etc etc but I detest people blaming everything on modern medicine. Very few people lived passed 40 even 150 years ago.



This is skyguys point. Just be open instead of shouting people down, and hopefully that will listen to common sense. If there are any antivaxxers that could possibly be convinced, it will not be through the current tactics of bluster and condescension, deserved or not.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2682 on: May 14, 2019, 12:12:49 AM »

This is skyguys point. Just be open instead of shouting people down, and hopefully that will listen to common sense. If there are any antivaxxers that could possibly be convinced, it will not be through the current tactics of bluster and condescension, deserved or not.
You mean sky121, not skyguy. And I would argue that while the 'shouting' doesn't work, neither does the common sense. It's not like no one has tried that before - it happens all the time, it just doesn't work.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2683 on: May 14, 2019, 12:23:10 AM »
You mean sky121, not skyguy. And I would argue that while the 'shouting' doesn't work, neither does the common sense. It's not like no one has tried that before - it happens all the time, it just doesn't work.
Sorry, got confused. I dont think the common sense happens in the way described. At least I have not seen it. All I see is people loudly proclaiming that there are absolutely no risks and anyone concerned is looney

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2684 on: May 14, 2019, 12:34:18 AM »

This is skyguys point. Just be open instead of shouting people down, and hopefully that will listen to common sense. If there are any antivaxxers that could possibly be convinced, it will not be through the current tactics of bluster and condescension, deserved or not.

I've had 28? I think surgeries. Without them I'd be paralyzed.

The rebbe always says regarding doctors they are instructed "v'rafoh yerapeh"

I'm sorry these people want to piss on modern medicine. Dr Fred Epstein, the greatest neurosurgeon to live looked me in the eyes when I was 12 and said " you have 3 spinal tumors, 2 in year spine, 1 around it.. I can take them out but there's a 5% chance you'll be paralyzed"

And that was scary but we didn't run home.  We did the surgery and bh I'm great.

But I can tell you that had we run home from fear, the tumors would have paralyzed me.

I just don't get it... The average parent reading medical ingredients like it's a bottle of juice.. who the heck are you?!?

There's no rationality with these people. How about the many people who are alive only because of immunosuppressant drugs?!?! I'm sure that doesn't align with your kale smoothies.

P.s. my father's cousin and many other sick people I know used cannabis and it helped diddly squat shit so maybe it helps some but really it's not a miracle cure.
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