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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 193974 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2700 on: May 14, 2019, 12:35:03 PM »
Maybe it is, but the logging of reactions by doctors in the field may not be as comprehensive since it relies on them connecting it to the vaccine whereas when there is a controlled test done all symptoms of any sort within the group will be recorded to find any patterns even if there is no apparent connection. When doctors are on the defensive about the vaccines their knee-jerk reaction will be to dismiss any connection and therefore not report it.

Also,
Maybe there is and the only reason you assume there isn't, is because of all the noise made by the antivaxxers?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2701 on: May 14, 2019, 12:36:59 PM »
Maybe there is and the only reason you assume there isn't, is because of all the noise made by the antivaxxers?
I think I wrote exactly that.
Maybe there already is and it is not marketed well enough.
I did try to find it but didn't.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2702 on: May 14, 2019, 12:38:00 PM »
I think I wrote exactly that.I did try to find it but didn't.
My point was just that the reason you feel a need for it to be marketed better is because of fear mongering by antivaxxers

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2703 on: May 14, 2019, 01:07:30 PM »
Maybe there is and the only reason you assume there isn't, is because of all the noise made by the antivaxxers?
Link?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2704 on: May 14, 2019, 01:09:55 PM »
My point was just that the reason you feel a need for it to be marketed better is because of fear mongering by antivaxxers
Maybe, but if I was able to find sources for their claims of lowered testing but nothing about how that is compensated for then the door is being opened for such a movement to start.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2705 on: May 15, 2019, 06:09:52 AM »
Maybe, but if I was able to find sources for their claims of lowered testing but nothing about how that is compensated for then the door is being opened for such a movement to start.
Vaccines are not drugs.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2707 on: May 15, 2019, 07:57:42 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/nyregion/measles-vaccine-orthodox-jews.html
They would get a crowd of a few hundred people or larger in any other city, that they got a few hundred in a city with 40k+ people shows nothing about Orthodox Jews.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2708 on: May 15, 2019, 08:10:43 AM »
Does anyone know anything about Rabbi Hillel Handler? Where is he a Rabbi?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2709 on: May 15, 2019, 08:18:42 AM »
Vaccines are not drugs.
The difference being (for the purposes of this discussion)?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2711 on: May 15, 2019, 11:01:50 AM »
They would get a crowd of a few hundred people or larger in any other city, that they got a few hundred in a city with 40k+ people shows nothing about Orthodox Jews.

There were busses from Lakewood and probably also other areas. So it was 500 people from the whole tri-state area.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2712 on: May 15, 2019, 02:43:56 PM »
These parents are  soft and weak. Besides paranoid and disillusioned.

I'm sure there are ways of improving vaccination, but this mentality is scary.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2713 on: May 15, 2019, 03:35:18 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/nyregion/measles-vaccine-orthodox-jews.html

Part of me is shocked at some of the things that were said..but most of me isn't.   Such mishigas.    Was anyone there that can give us more info? Curious if anything helpful was said at all.
Doesn't seem like it.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2714 on: May 15, 2019, 04:17:49 PM »