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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262399 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2835 on: December 09, 2019, 01:31:44 PM »
The points can made without out brining in the Samoa incident.

When I was growing up everyone got the measles including everyone in my family and the school I went to. I do not know of one person that died or was on a ventilator. Should I use this as an example that getting the measles is like a bad cough? Of course not.

There are deaths due to measles but why? Did they seek proper care at the proper time?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2836 on: December 09, 2019, 01:35:11 PM »
Vaccine rate for measles dropped significantly on Samoa and subsequently the measles rate increased exponentially. Scientifically this is due to the fact that measles is a highly contagious disease and that once the rate of vaccination drops below a minimal safe “herd” threshold it spreads with ease.
100% agree
Let’s keep the fact that people have died or even gotten critically ill out of the discussion for now.
That will keep the discussion where it should be.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2837 on: December 09, 2019, 02:01:45 PM »
The points can made without out brining in the Samoa incident.

If you browse the first 100 or so pages of this thread you will find countless times that that my 2 above mentioned points were made by anti-vaccine advocates. You will also find them rampant in other online social media groups. I am using Samoa as a pertinent and accurate example of why these arguments are false.

While you a rational thinker who can understand intuitively such things. Most anti-vaccine advocates do not accept the intuitive benefits of vaccines. For their sake, the Samoa experience is an example of what is wrong with these arguments if they’re willing to allow any logic to penetrate.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2838 on: December 09, 2019, 04:36:14 PM »
If you browse the first 100 or so pages of this thread you will find countless times that that my 2 above mentioned points were made by anti-vaccine advocates. You will also find them rampant in other online social media groups. I am using Samoa as a pertinent and accurate example of why these arguments are false.

While you a rational thinker who can understand intuitively such things. Most anti-vaccine advocates do not accept the intuitive benefits of vaccines. For their sake, the Samoa experience is an example of what is wrong with these arguments if they’re willing to allow any logic to penetrate.
IIRC part of their argument is also that the vaccine causes x, y and z. So it is weighting one risk against another for them. I believe their logic is wrong that the vaccine is causing x, y and z. Unfortunately it seems logic and/or scare tactics do not work on them.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2839 on: December 09, 2019, 06:08:44 PM »
They have numerous and ever-changing rationale. This just debunks a few of the common ones.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2840 on: December 11, 2019, 10:42:38 AM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2841 on: December 20, 2019, 12:56:53 PM »
http://news.mit.edu/2019/explain-infections-fever-reduce-autism-1218

Not sure if/how this plays into the vaccine/autism narrative. One thing is certain that the medical field has a far broader and deeper understanding of these issues than your couch anti-vacc guru.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2842 on: December 23, 2019, 10:01:47 PM »
What percentage of US  adult population is effectively immunized against measles?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2843 on: December 23, 2019, 10:29:07 PM »
What percentage of US  adult population is effectively immunized against measles?
Percent of children aged 19-35 months vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella: 91.5% (2017)

Percent of adolescents aged 13-17 years vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella (2 doses or more): 92.1% (2017)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2844 on: December 23, 2019, 10:52:08 PM »
Thanks.  And over 40?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2848 on: February 12, 2020, 03:22:33 PM »
Dear anti-vaxxer
now is the time to go to China and prove us wrong

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2849 on: February 12, 2020, 03:39:30 PM »
Dear anti-vaxxer
now is the time to go to China and prove us wrong
Very intelligent argument right there.
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