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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
84 (37.2%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (2.2%)
No
137 (60.6%)

Total Members Voted: 225

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2013, 10:39:34 PM »
How was that a reply to my post?
I misunderstood, take it as an addition to your post

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2013, 10:59:30 PM »
Oh and most medical plans cover the flu vaccine with no copay.
+1 and many employers and universities offer it for free to employees/students.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2013, 12:41:21 AM »
Anti-vaccine paranoids should really all just be put together in one nice colony for a couple years and we'll see the results of the rest of the world and the anti-vaccine colony :P
+1000000000
and it's one thing to do it for yourself, but to not vaccinate your children and put them in harms way should be criminal. These people should be locked up
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2013, 02:01:17 AM »

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2013, 08:46:10 AM »
The media is very one sided, the reality is that it is very complicated...
That sounds too suspiciously similar to what all conspiracy theorists say.

The media IS very one sided but the 1 side is MONEY, so if they would have an expose about vaccines killing people, the only thing stopping them from printing it is enough money from Big Pharma to make it worth their while... (hint: i doubt their getting it)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2013, 09:47:43 AM »
That sounds too suspiciously similar to what all conspiracy theorists say.

The media IS very one sided but the 1 side is MONEY, so if they would have an expose about vaccines killing people, the only thing stopping them from printing it is enough money from Big Pharma to make it worth their while... (hint: i doubt their getting it)

We'll only know in the future, nothing proven either way at this point. (People also defended Madoff at one point in time)

I know that I mentioned that I know someone who had died, but that's not at all I'm worried about. This is part of the problem of statistics as well. Let's assume that there is a zero percent chance of being killed by a vaccine, if it's bad for my health then why would I do it? In the package inserts to the vaccine it shows all side effects that are openly admitted to besides for other stuff that is harder to find... The next question is what good the vaccine can do for my health. With some vaccines there is a valid answer, with the flu shot, I haven't found it yet...


It's not just a "conspiracy theory" Dr. Tenpenny and Dr. Mercola are educated and know far more that the avg. doctor. My proof is that they publish a lot of material that is easily accessible and it is very difficult to find an inaccuracy in their materials. They are obviously not the only two as well, just I found that their info has been very useful to me, so I'll share.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2013, 10:21:08 AM »
We'll only know in the future, nothing proven either way at this point. (People also defended Madoff at one point in time)

I know that I mentioned that I know someone who had died, but that's not at all I'm worried about. This is part of the problem of statistics as well. Let's assume that there is a zero percent chance of being killed by a vaccine, if it's bad for my health then why would I do it? In the package inserts to the vaccine it shows all side effects that are openly admitted to besides for other stuff that is harder to find... The next question is what good the vaccine can do for my health. With some vaccines there is a valid answer, with the flu shot, I haven't found it yet...


It's not just a "conspiracy theory" Dr. Tenpenny and Dr. Mercola are educated and know far more that the avg. doctor. My proof is that they publish a lot of material that is easily accessible and it is very difficult to find an inaccuracy in their materials. They are obviously not the only two as well, just I found that their info has been very useful to me, so I'll share.

The overwhelming majority of doctors, by a very big margin, say that it's safe. Please answer what's the incentive for them to lie. And if you say they're paid off by Big Pharma, then you're a clown!


What's the incentive for the overwhelming majority of doctors to lie??

Until this question is answered, the conversation is over, IMHO.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2013, 10:23:41 AM »
Obviously if you just say your wrong blah blah blah the doctor would be annoyed, but if you bring in facts a good doctor would gladly dispute them for you. (Just saying I was one of the first if not the first kid in the US to get the chickenpox vaccine)
BTW, regarding the chicken pox vaccine, when a person is older and they weren't vaccinated or had chicken pox before, chicken pox is life threatening.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2013, 10:25:03 AM »
The overwhelming majority of doctors, by a very big margin, say that it's safe. Please answer what's the incentive for them to lie. And if you say they're paid off by Big Pharma, then you're a clown!


What's the incentive for the overwhelming majority of doctors to lie??

Until this question is answered, the conversation is over, IMHO.


Big talker. I'd like to see how YOU would react to a visit from the black-ops :P



Though, on a serious note, if doctors charge for each shot they would have an incentive. Insurance compnies on the other hand would not pay for a non-effective shot that doesn't save them money in the long run.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2013, 10:28:22 AM »
Big talker. I'd like to see how YOU would react to a visit from the black-ops :P



Though, on a serious note, if doctors charge for each shot they would have an incentive. Insurance compnies on the other hand would not pay for a non-effective shot that doesn't save them money in the long run.
I actually believe that the aliens are the ones visiting the doctors.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2013, 10:31:26 AM »
It is given out for free in school; you just line up and sign the waiver and they stick you.

But, I didn't get it. I've never gotten the flu in my life, so I think the chances are pretty low. Multiply that by the harm that the flu causes, which is pretty low, and you get very low. Compare that to your arm aching for an afternoon, and the possibility of side effects--including the flu--and it isn't at all clear that it makes any sense to get it.

But now that it's an epidemic, I'm considering it. But I probably still won't.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2013, 10:33:13 AM »
It is given out for free in school; you just line up and sign the waiver and they stick you.

But, I didn't get it. I've never gotten the flu in my life, so I think the chances are pretty low. Multiply that by the harm that the flu causes, which is pretty low, and you get very low. Compare that to your arm aching for an afternoon, and the possibility of side effects--including the flu--and it isn't at all clear that it makes any sense to get it.

But now that it's an epidemic, I'm considering it. But I probably still won't.
I didn't take it yet, but those that took it told me it's a very unpainful shot.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2013, 10:44:09 AM »
It is given out for free in school; you just line up and sign the waiver and they stick you.

But, I didn't get it. I've never gotten the flu in my life, so I think the chances are pretty low. Multiply that by the harm that the flu causes, which is pretty low, and you get very low. Compare that to your arm aching for an afternoon, and the possibility of side effects--including the flu--and it isn't at all clear that it makes any sense to get it.

But now that it's an epidemic, I'm considering it. But I probably still won't.
Getting the flu is not a known side affect.
The viruses in inactivated influenza vaccine have been killed, so you cannot get influenza from the vaccine.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2013, 10:48:45 AM »
Getting the flu is not a known side affect.
The viruses in inactivated influenza vaccine have been killed, so you cannot get influenza from the vaccine.

It is possible to get mild flu-like symptoms. If anyone has had the flu (especially this year's strain) you would have wished you had gotten the flu shot. I know I do... was too difficult to get up here in the Great White North.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2013, 11:36:49 AM »
It is given out for free in school; you just line up and sign the waiver and they stick you.

But, I didn't get it. I've never gotten the flu in my life, so I think the chances are pretty low. Multiply that by the harm that the flu causes, which is pretty low, and you get very low. Compare that to your arm aching for an afternoon, and the possibility of side effects--including the flu--and it isn't at all clear that it makes any sense to get it.

But now that it's an epidemic, I'm considering it. But I probably still won't.
I have multiple relatives sick in bed with high fevers and throwing up with the flu this season.  It went through entire Pittsburgh chabad yeshiva and got nearly everyone there sick.
Besides for hundreds of thousands of sick Americans there are tens of thousands of American deaths.  That's hardly nothing.

Either way I was vaccinated (as can anyone from 2-49) by nasal mist.  No pain, no side affects for 99.99% of people.
As for the doctors doing this to make money? I've seen the compensation, they make literally a couple dollars from my insurance company, that alone would be incentive not to offer it :P
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