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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
173 (59.7%)

Total Members Voted: 289

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 199916 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #420 on: November 15, 2013, 09:08:19 AM »
Lol.
Did you know that vaccines also cure cancer;D
What happened to :  "This where I bow out of this thread"

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #421 on: November 15, 2013, 09:33:23 AM »
Did anyone look at the poll?
You're so far up Trump's a** you can see Giuliani's feet.  HT Baruch

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #422 on: November 15, 2013, 09:50:33 AM »
Did anyone look at the poll?
Do I get to vote again this year? It's been over 12 months...
AFAIK this poll was for last winter...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #423 on: November 15, 2013, 09:57:07 AM »
Some parents choose to let their doctor make this decision for them for many different reasons. Is this not acceptable?
I asked a doctor once. Why are meds for high cholesterol prescribed so often, if the reason for it is being overweight, smoking, etc. wouldn't it be better to get them on diet, stop smoking etc.
The answer was they won't do it, so the meds with side effects are better than nothing...
Here too, I'm not so sure every dr. would say that it is better to get multiple vaccines at once than to do on separate days, however, they don't offer, cause the patients wouldn't do it.
So in some cases the dr is suggesting the second or third best option, and they won't let you know unless you ask...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #424 on: November 15, 2013, 10:00:16 AM »
Of course you should listen your doctor!
If GD forbid someone was dying from cancer would they listen to the doctors?

If he needed a triple bypass would he go to the evil doctors or would he use Google?

When your child has strep or something do you listen to him? Do you trust him?
Vaccines are no different.
No-one here said that there is no use for doctors, I have the highest respect.
However, there are some exceptions in life, especially when I know dr's who used to think one way, and changed their beliefs after doing their own research...
Vaccines (and very possible strep) are different.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #425 on: November 15, 2013, 10:07:34 AM »
Why are there so very few trained, educated medical professionals who take jaywhys position? Do they not know how to do medical research?
Maybe its because they actually do know how!
Maybe there are many dr's who do, they just don't have as much fight in them as Dr Andrew Wakefield
and they would keep it to themselves and their families...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #426 on: November 15, 2013, 11:05:17 AM »
Maybe there are many dr's who do, they just don't have as much fight in them as Dr Andrew Wakefield
and they would keep it to themselves and their families...

His study is one of the most disgraceful, fraudulent and unsubstantiated studies ever printed. It has never been "reproduced" for a very good reason.

It does not take a lot of "fight" to make a real-life study (see Mr. Wakefield's study for the make-believe version). If the facts bear out any sort of 

BTW his license was stripped so I don't believe that Dr. is the appropriate title for him.

@jaywhy @barryg

Show me one legitimate peer-reviewed and reproduced scientific study showing that the results of any of the major vaccines causes more harm than good (yes that is a subjective measure, but I'm willing to be flexible), or even harm within the same range as the good caused by vaccines and I will personally claw the tdap vaccine that was injected into my arm not more than 24 hours ago out with my bare hands.
(edited to reflect that time changes)
« Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 11:13:25 AM by YankyDoodle »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #427 on: November 15, 2013, 11:09:18 AM »
His study is one of the most disgraceful, fraudulent and unsubstantiated studies ever printed. It has never been "reproduced" for a very good reason.
BTW his license was stripped so I don't believe that Dr. is the appropriate title for him.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #428 on: November 15, 2013, 11:31:45 AM »
Some parents choose to let their doctor make this decision for them for many different reasons. Is this not acceptable?
It can be perfectly acceptable. As long as the parents are properly educated on the pros and cons of vaccines, they can decide that they want to leave the decision up to their doctor.
Unfortunately, that isn't happening and there are legitimate concerns that should be addressed that are being shoved under the rug.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #429 on: November 15, 2013, 12:21:11 PM »
Why are there so very few trained, educated medical professionals who take jaywhys position? Do they not know how to do medical research?
Maybe its because they actually do know how!
Maybe there are many dr's who do, they just don't have as much fight in them as Dr Andrew Wakefield
and they would keep it to themselves and their families...
His study is one of the most disgraceful, fraudulent and unsubstantiated studies ever printed. It has never been "reproduced" for a very good reason.

It does not take a lot of "fight" to make a real-life study (see Mr. Wakefield's study for the make-believe version). If the facts bear out any sort of 

BTW his license was stripped so I don't believe that Dr. is the appropriate title for him.
Exactly my point... Seems like this Dr. got bullied around, that's why info is (not impossible, but nevertheless) harder to find...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #430 on: November 15, 2013, 01:28:37 PM »
Exactly my point... Seems like this Dr. got bullied around, that's why info is (not impossible, but nevertheless) harder to find...

Are you kidding me?? He did not get bullied. He falsified data and straight-out made up "patients" in order to earn fame and money. Even the most ardent anti-vaccine folk should be mad at him, he makes their arguments sound stupid when they can only point to a fake study. Without proof, he deceived people into not receiving the MMR vaccine thereby putting them and others at risk of serious injury and death. Even if you believe that there may be risk to vaccines it is irresponsible and borderline homicidal to do what he has done. No one who performs a proper legitimate study (regardless of the outcomes) will be vilified as a result.

Was Mr. Wonkfield derided prior to the recognition of his deception?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #431 on: November 24, 2013, 11:36:07 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #432 on: November 25, 2013, 12:01:20 AM »
Wondering what all those who are pushing for parents to fully do their research think about the nyc law of metzitza bipeh? Not to get into the halachik debate, just about the informed consent part. Similar in that parents should know all the risks before a procedure or not

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #433 on: November 25, 2013, 12:21:31 AM »
Wondering what all those who are pushing for parents to fully do their research think about the nyc law of metzitza bipeh? Not to get into the halachik debate, just about the informed consent part. Similar in that parents should know all the risks before a procedure or not
I don't think anyone's calling for parents to be forced to "do their research."

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