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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.7%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
185 (60.7%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262251 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #450 on: December 20, 2013, 11:50:17 AM »
@henche, Sounds like you were b'h never knocked out in bed for 2 weeks with the flu. Those minor side affects are nothing like the real deal.
IMHO.If you have a job or life and cant afford the risk of 2+ weeks of misery, get the shot and stop whining.
B"H wasn't - maybe a day or two, but that was in HS and IIRC I wanted to be in bed anyways...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #451 on: December 20, 2013, 11:56:19 AM »

@henche, Sounds like you were b'h never knocked out in bed for 2 weeks with the flu. Those minor side affects are nothing like the real deal.
IMHO.If you have a job or life and cant afford the risk of 2+ weeks of misery, get the shot and stop whining.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #452 on: December 20, 2013, 12:01:53 PM »
Very happy I got the nasal flu vaccine, nasty flu stuff going around.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #453 on: December 20, 2013, 12:04:55 PM »
Very happy I got the nasal flu vaccine, nasty flu stuff going around.

I'm glad you got it too. Less people to get me sick  :P

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #454 on: December 20, 2013, 12:39:08 PM »
You mistake me. I agree with you--it is usually worth getting the flu shot. If you multiply your risk of getting the flu by the misery you expect to suffer, and then subtract the risk of side effects multiplied by the misery they cause, and subtract the time and money expended to get the shot, and subtract the needle if that bothers you--you usually end up with a positive number.

I'm just pointing out how "they" lie to us and tell us there are no side effects and is no risk, instead of trusting us to make my above calculation. My calculation is not equal to the NYC board of health declaring that it is absolutely safe and has no risk.

And then I'm noting that I personally have different interests than the boards of healths and the CDC, so it might not make sense for me to just accept their math instead of doing my own. (Of course add in the likelihood of my making a mistake in my math, and them having more perfect information, but my having more perfect personal information, and the cost of doing the math myself, etc.)

(Link this on the law school thread. This is the type of mush they put in your brain.)
Add to your formula the risk of you infecting vulnerable relatives like pregnant wives, babies and elderly. (not "society", your family.)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #455 on: December 20, 2013, 12:57:18 PM »
Add to your formula the risk of you infecting vulnerable relatives like pregnant wives, babies and elderly. (not "society", your family.)

yes yes, indeed. It really is a complicated formula. That would be added to the number.

Also don't forget to add the good feeling you get from doing something which you think is good for you.
Or to subtract the bad feeling you get from doing something you think you are being coerced into. As the case may be.

And to add or subtract the feeling you get from doing things other people are also doing, if that makes you feel good or bad.

And to subtract the possibility of picking up some germs when you visit the doctors office or pharmacy to get the shot.

And the remote possibility that the nurse is crazy and infecting you purposely with hepatitis. http://www.medicaldaily.com/david-kwiatkowski-hospital-tech-who-infected-patients-hepatitis-c-faces-40-years-federal-prison

And the possibility that the nurse will notice you have a cancerous mole on your arm while giving the shot and save your life. 

And the possibility you'll meet your bashert in the waiting room.

And the possibility you'll meet your bashert in the waiting room while she's sick as a pig and looks awful and so you won't date her when she's suggested and will end up marrying a shrew who won't let you play guitar hero and drink beer all night long.

And the possibility your wife is an anti-vaccine lunatic and will get mad at you for getting it.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #456 on: December 20, 2013, 01:26:25 PM »

And the possibility you'll meet your bashert in the waiting room.

And the possibility you'll meet your bashert in the waiting room while she's sick as a pig and looks awful and so you won't date her when she's suggested and will end up marrying a shrew who won't let you play guitar hero and drink beer all night long.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #457 on: December 20, 2013, 01:34:35 PM »
Beantown again? 2x in a year?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #458 on: December 20, 2013, 01:41:41 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #459 on: December 20, 2013, 06:07:57 PM »
And once that is the case, it is fair to ask whether the "right decision" is better for society as a whole on an expected value basis, or better for me personally as well. Because I don't have the same interests as society as a whole.


And that there is a slippery moral slope, in which we can argue the benefits of a life of crime.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #461 on: January 06, 2014, 02:14:42 PM »
Perfectly safe http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/01/06/report-girl-falls-asleep-up-to-30-times-a-day-after-getting-flu-shot/
Its nothing to do with the shot. She ate a red apple on the day that these symptoms started and there is a web site that says that eating red apples can cause this. Google it!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #462 on: January 06, 2014, 02:26:55 PM »
Only if the queen poisons the apple because she's prettier

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #463 on: January 06, 2014, 03:03:27 PM »
Only if the queen poisons the apple because she's prettier
Duh, of course!  ;)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #464 on: January 06, 2014, 11:27:33 PM »
Only if the queen poisons the apple because she's prettier
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