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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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112 (38.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
173 (59.7%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 199712 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #465 on: January 08, 2014, 12:53:43 AM »
Perfectly safe http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/01/06/report-girl-falls-asleep-up-to-30-times-a-day-after-getting-flu-shot/
Funny that the comments that follow this article remind me of this thread... Except that we keep bringing religion into picture and they keep bringing in global warming...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #466 on: January 14, 2014, 02:29:50 PM »
So, one metric being used to convince us to get the flu vaccine, is the amount of hospitalizations from the flu. According to the CDC, about 1/10,000 people who get the flu need to be hospitalized. (link)

And usually 5-20% of people get said flu. (link. So we can say that the risk of hospitalization is between 1/50,000-1/200,000 if you don't get the vaccine. (This naturally ignores the fact that the rate of infection would be higher if less people got vaccine, but counteracts that by also ignoring the people who got vaccine and were infected anyway, so these numbers are off, but probably not my more than half, so use the lower bound if you wish.)

Now, let's compare that to the number of people who are hospitalized as a side effect of the flu vaccine itself. Which is--uh oh, nobody wants to tell you that number. Why not. I don't know. Is it important? Who knows. But would you be surprised if you were told it was 1/200,000...I wouldn't be.

Edit: The numbers seemed to mismatch. The news sources were misreading the CDC data. The 1/10,000 is hospitalizations/"people", not hospitalizations/"infected people". So the relevant number is simply 1/10,000. But I still want to know how many hospitalizations there are from the vaccine to compare it to that.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #467 on: January 14, 2014, 06:32:55 PM »
The flu vaccine does not cause any serious illnesses or side affects and therefore there is no "number of people hospitalized due to having the vaccine"!
Noone is hiding anything, its safe. Plain and simple.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #468 on: January 14, 2014, 07:06:55 PM »
The flu vaccine does not cause any serious illnesses or side affects and therefore there is no "number of people hospitalized due to having the vaccine"!
Noone is hiding anything, its safe. Plain and simple.

To say with certainty that the flu vaccine does not cause any side effects is either ignorant or untrue. I am a big supporter of vaccines but to pretend that there are no risks is not helpful or honest.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #469 on: January 14, 2014, 07:16:04 PM »
To say with certainty that the flu vaccine does not cause any side effects is either ignorant or untrue. I am a big supporter of vaccines but to pretend that there are no risks is not helpful or honest.
Why on earth should I think that there are any risks? The educated medical community has deemed them safe. There is absolutely no evidence of any risk.
If anything its only the ignorant who have are concerned.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #470 on: January 14, 2014, 07:35:27 PM »
"CDC expects that any serious side effects following vaccination with the 2013-2014 flu vaccine would be very rare. Mild side effects that may occur are expected to be similar to those experienced following past seasonal influenza vaccine."
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #471 on: January 14, 2014, 07:38:28 PM »
To say with certainty that the flu vaccine does not cause any side effects is either ignorant or untrue. I am a big supporter of vaccines but to pretend that there are no risks is not helpful or honest.
If no one ended up in the hospital for it, that's good enough for me...
Curiosity made the cat smarter.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #472 on: January 14, 2014, 07:42:46 PM »
Eh. If I hear of anyone around me getting the flu, I rather just start taking tamiflu then get vaccinated.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #473 on: January 14, 2014, 07:44:28 PM »
If no one ended up in the hospital for it, that's good enough for me...
But how would you know whether anyone was hospitalized for symptoms stemming from the vaccine?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #474 on: January 14, 2014, 07:47:33 PM »
If no one ended up in the hospital for it, that's good enough for me...
What is Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS)?

Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) is a rare disorder in which a person’s own immune system damages their nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. GBS can cause symptoms that last for a few weeks. Most people recover fully from GBS, but some people have permanent nerve damage. In very rare cases, people have died of GBS, usually from difficulty breathing. In the United States, for example, an estimated 3,000 to 6,000 people develop GBS each year on average, whether or not they received a vaccination.
 
What causes GBS?

Many things can cause GBS; about two-thirds of people who develop GBS symptoms do so several days or weeks after they have been sick with diarrhea or a respiratory illness. Infection with the bacterium Campylobacter jejuni is one of the most common risk factors for GBS. People also can develop GBS after having the flu or other infections (such as cytomegalovirus and Epstein Barr virus). On very rare occasions, they may develop GBS in the days or weeks after getting a vaccination.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #475 on: January 15, 2014, 11:31:18 AM »
Eh. If I hear of anyone around me getting the flu, I rather just start taking tamiflu then get vaccinated.
Don't forget the vitamin D3...
Btw you don't have to wait until ppl around you have the flu to start taking vitamin D3...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #476 on: January 15, 2014, 12:17:01 PM »
I just kill them. Dead men spread no germs.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #477 on: January 15, 2014, 12:19:15 PM »
I just kill them. Dead men spread no germs.
AFAIK they do, so don't forget to wear gloves or wash hands...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #478 on: January 15, 2014, 12:49:14 PM »
AFAIK they do, so don't forget to wear gloves or wash hands...

Whatev's, in law school we learned that they tell no tales. I assumed that was true for other stuff also.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #479 on: January 15, 2014, 01:34:03 PM »

Eh. If I hear of anyone around me getting the flu, I rather just start taking tamiflu then get vaccinated.

Is Tamiflu safer?