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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.7%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
185 (60.7%)

Total Members Voted: 304

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262141 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #617 on: March 26, 2014, 10:06:37 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #618 on: March 26, 2014, 10:15:35 PM »
Yep, the states should impose stiff fines on them. Nothing else's working.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #619 on: March 26, 2014, 10:38:00 PM »
Can any one offer a thorough Halachic view on vaccines??

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #620 on: March 26, 2014, 10:45:49 PM »
Ushmartem es nafshosaichem  ?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #621 on: March 26, 2014, 10:48:10 PM »
Can any one offer a thorough Halachic view on vaccines??
been discussed.

The consensus is that when the majority of the world does something, even if there is a possibility of risk, the concept of shomer pesoim hashem applies.
Rav eliyashuv has said that one who doesn't vaccinate his children is mazik es horabim.
On yom Kippur we listen to the majority of doctors, here is no different.


Speak to a reliable halachic opinion.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #622 on: March 26, 2014, 11:46:02 PM »
been discussed.

The consensus is that when the majority of the world does something, even if there is a possibility of risk, the concept of shomer pesoim hashem applies.
Rav eliyashuv has said that one who doesn't vaccinate his children is mazik es horabim.
On yom Kippur we listen to the majority of doctors, here is no different.


Speak to a reliable halachic opinion.

Does this apply to every single vaccine that they add to the list?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #623 on: March 26, 2014, 11:52:40 PM »
Does this apply to every single vaccine that they add to the list?

Does it include HPV?


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #624 on: March 27, 2014, 01:41:12 AM »
Can any one offer a thorough Halachic view on vaccines??
Not a simple Q...
been discussed.

The consensus is that when the majority of the world does something, even if there is a possibility of risk, the concept of shomer pesoim hashem applies.
Rav eliyashuv has said that one who doesn't vaccinate his children is mazik es horabim.
On yom Kippur we listen to the majority of doctors, here is no different.


Speak to a reliable halachic opinion.
I did, but I was not told exactly what you posted above.
Does this apply to every single vaccine that they add to the list?
The problem is that not every reliable halachic opinion has a reliable opinion of their own on the subject of vaccines. They will, therefore, most likely side with the majority of the world (or speak with a doctor or two from their congregation, who most likely will side with the majority of the world). If the same Rav would have 9 (pro-vaccine) doctors give their opinion, and also listen to the 1 (let's say a DO), but the Rav would actually know that there were two valid sides in the discussion - there would very likely be a different answer, now that the Rav can have a thought out opinion on the subject.
Also, let's say someone had asked Rav Elyashiv an all or nothing Shayla. (I never heard or saw Tshuva from him, I'm going off what churnbabychurn said.) "Am I a responsible parent if I never give my child a vaccine, period. None, never, under no circumstance. I read an article that they might cause autism..." Now, I'd hope, any Rav would ________ and tell him, ushmartem me'od l'nafshosechem.
If, someone asked a Rav "Am I a responsible parent, if I have some concerns with vaccines after doing much research, speaking with many professionals on the subject and coming to the following compromise. I'd prefer not to give some vaccines which some doctors say are unnecessary (like flu, chicken pox, and hep b at birth), I'd also prefer not to give 22 vaccines to my baby before age 1, so I'd want to postpone certain vaccines - which the diseases are pretty much eradicated - until later (ex after age 5 when there is nothing on the schedule). Not so sure the Rav will say that you are "mazik es harabim"
Does this apply to every single vaccine that they add to the list?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #625 on: March 27, 2014, 01:47:24 AM »
It's very bad this year. Some young people died from it.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #626 on: March 27, 2014, 01:49:48 AM »
It's very bad this year. Some young people died from it.
Are you referring to being low in Vitamin D?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #627 on: March 27, 2014, 01:57:28 AM »
Are you referring to being low in Vitamin D?
I'm referring to people in their 50's dying from the flu.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #628 on: March 27, 2014, 02:00:05 AM »
I'm referring to people in their 50's dying from the flu.
Sorry to hear...
How many people?
Do you know how their vitamin D levels were, before they got the flu (and do you know if they got a flu shot)?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #629 on: March 27, 2014, 02:04:57 AM »
Sorry to hear...
How many people?
Do you know how their vitamin D levels were, before they got the flu (and do you know if they got a flu shot)?
I don't know all details, but it's very bad in the New York area.