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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
115 (37.7%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
185 (60.7%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 262217 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #660 on: March 31, 2014, 03:54:23 PM »
+1 first thing we've agreed on all thread!
Lol, true.  :)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #661 on: March 31, 2014, 04:19:05 PM »
Seizures carry a risk of complications like banging a head. Banging your head carries a risk of concussion. Concussion is risky cuz it can cause brain damage.
The risk of seizures comes from the risk of a prolonged high fever which is a risk of the MMR vaccine.
The MMR vaccine is very risky indeed.

I've heard that wearing a tinfoil hat can reduce the risk of the common cold which carries the risk of fever, which carries the risk of seizures which carry the risk of brain damage.

Also never eat anything new, you may be extremely allergic. Don't give kids fish, peanut butter, nuts etc. They all carry the risk of analapxic shock!


You are not comprehending the difference btwn mild side effects and risk.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #662 on: March 31, 2014, 04:36:16 PM »
You are not comprehending the difference btwn mild side effects and risk.
What's actually happening is that you are creating a very narrow definition of the work risk, despite that not being the common (or medical) usage of the term.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #663 on: March 31, 2014, 06:36:39 PM »
What's actually happening is that you are creating a very narrow definition of the work risk, despite that not being the common (or medical) usage of the term.
Well put.

Seizures carry a risk of complications like banging a head. Banging your head carries a risk of concussion. Concussion is risky cuz it can cause brain damage.

I've heard that wearing a tinfoil hat can reduce the risk of the common cold which carries the risk of fever, which carries the risk of seizures which carry the risk of brain damage.

Also never eat anything new, you may be extremely allergic. Don't give kids fish, peanut butter, nuts etc. They all carry the risk of analapxic shock!

You are not comprehending the difference btwn mild side effects and risk.
1. I don't think it's unreasonable to for someone to hesitate about something that can cause seizure in their children.
2. I'm going to ignore your tinfoil comment.
3. Some people weigh the pros and cons (i.e. benefits and risks) of feeding their kids new foods and make their own determination about the benefit of such a decision. Most people have decided that at a certain point in time, the benefit outweighs the risk, but everyone makes that determination for themselves.
4. You would make similar calculations as well. You have already decided that in the case of vaccines, the benefits far far outweigh the risks. Good for you, I commend you and believe that science has proven that overall this is a reasonable conclusion and the safest decision to make. Other people still need to weigh the pros and cons and make that determination (and hopefully come to the same conclusion).

PS when trying anything that has not been heavily tested, one must accept that there is the conceivable risk of an unknown side effect occurring. The longer it is on the market and the more widely used the lower the chance becomes. Again this is something to consider in regards to "younger vaccines". That is not to say that people should not get them just that people must weigh that risk for themselves. People have been eating fish, peanut butter and nuts for thousands of years and there is enough empirical evidence to accept that the risks are known and people can make a decision based on that. However when a new "weight loss drug" comes on the market, one must suspect that there may be greater risks than the ones listed on the label. This requires an acceptance of a greater amount of risk as well.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #664 on: March 31, 2014, 09:23:17 PM »
The mild and moderate categories are temporary discomforts and would not be classified as a "risk"- fever is not "Risky". Its just uncomfortable.
The severe problems are basically just an allergic reaction.

In other words: No Risks. AKA 100% safe. Thank you.

Is dying from allergic reaction somehow less problematic because "it's just allergies"?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #665 on: April 01, 2014, 12:21:04 AM »
Is dying from allergic reaction somehow less problematic because "it's just allergies"?
Thought it was called SIDS if c"v someone dies from it...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #666 on: April 01, 2014, 12:27:05 AM »
Is dying from allergic reaction somehow less problematic because "it's just allergies"?
Would you give your kids peanut butter for the first time?
Yes! Cuz its less problematic.
Can you figure  out why there is no " risk" warning on PB? cuz there are no anti PB wakos! B'H.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #667 on: April 01, 2014, 12:33:48 AM »
Would you give your kids peanut butter for the first time?
Yes! Cuz its less problematic.
Can you figure  out why there is no " risk" warning on PB? cuz there are no anti PB wakos! B'H.
Lol. You think it says CONTAINS: PEANUTS in bold letters under the ingredient list for the benefit of people who can't read small type?  :o

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #668 on: April 01, 2014, 08:25:02 AM »
Would you give your kids peanut butter for the first time?
Yes! Cuz its less problematic.
Can you figure  out why there is no " risk" warning on PB? cuz there are no anti PB wakos! B'H.

If there was a govt recommendation that said you needed to feed your baby peanut butter in the delivery room, or that you were required to feed your kid peanut butter before they started school, because it was "totally safe"--you bet there'd be a backlash.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #669 on: April 02, 2014, 01:13:28 PM »
1.000.000 unvaxed & nursed kids in USA . find 1 nut allergy or sids case amongst all of them , maybe allergic to...SICK-NUTS


Thousands of innocent babies die of “sids  after a vax its a “coincidence”

Doctor Meyer Eisenstein has 10s of 1,000 unvaxed kids 0 autism, by “:coincidence”

ask parents who have a older vaxed kids & younger unvaxed how much healthier the unvaxed are
oh that’s just A….er….ahem….coincidence



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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #671 on: April 02, 2014, 01:27:58 PM »
The geniuses from NY and Cali are so smart and advanced. Very progressive.   ::)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/measles-outbreaks-new-york-orange-county-spotlight-risks-even-for-vaccinated/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-ohio-mumps-outbreak-continues-to-grow/
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If vaccinated persons are developing measles, does that mean that the MMR vaccine is ineffective?

"It's always a question that public health raises," said Zahn. "At this point it doesn't seem to be an issue with the vaccine, but its something we're looking at it."
:o?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #672 on: April 02, 2014, 01:37:30 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #673 on: April 02, 2014, 02:02:15 PM »
1.000.000 unvaxed & nursed kids in USA . find 1 nut allergy or sids case amongst all of them , maybe allergic to...SICK-NUTS

Wait, nursing is also connected to this? So if a kid needs formula and can't be nursed they should get vaccinated? And now vaccinations cause nut allergies? I have so much to learn.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #674 on: April 02, 2014, 02:56:40 PM »
1.000.000 unvaxed & nursed kids in USA . find 1 nut allergy or sids case amongst all of them , maybe allergic to...SICK-NUTS

Thousands of innocent babies die of “sids  after a vax its a “coincidence”

Doctor Meyer Eisenstein has 10s of 1,000 unvaxed kids 0 autism, by “:coincidence”

ask parents who have a older vaxed kids & younger unvaxed how much healthier the unvaxed are
oh that’s just A….er….ahem….coincidence
Mayor Einstein did not have all of those kids with one woman. And he explained how SICK-NUTS are known to cause vaccinations.

All I know for sure is that there is no coincidence that someone with your extensive knowledge of medicine and the English language would believe garbage like this without any data.  That’s just A….er….ahem….coincidence