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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
116 (37.5%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
188 (60.8%)

Total Members Voted: 307

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2013, 11:10:10 PM »
Are you comparing that we orthodox jews have gone against 99% of the world for thousands of years, to going against the vast majority of vaccinaters? We stood up strong against majorities anti our religion, because our parents heard from their parents etc. that G-D told them directly in front of 600,000+ people that He is G-d and He is One, and that we will be his Chosen Nation forever, that's why we ignored the vast majorities. And you go and compare that to Dr. "Ten Pennies for your thoughts"?? No Shaychus!!!!

What I am comparing is that ppl here know they are right when it comes to religion, but we are for sure an extreme minority. It is therefore, no proof to me that the majority of Dr's recommend something. I can look into it and make my own decision. The # of Dr's doesn't scare me off.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2013, 11:11:21 PM »
Are you comparing that we orthodox jews have gone against 99% of the world for thousands of years, to going against the vast majority of vaccinaters? We stood up strong against majorities anti our religion, because our parents heard from their parents etc. that G-D told them directly in front of 600,000+ people that He is G-d and He is One, and that we will be his Chosen Nation forever, that's why we ignored the vast majorities. And you go and compare that to Dr. "Ten Pennies for your thoughts"?? No Shaychus!!!!

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2013, 11:13:04 PM »
Mazel tov on post # 770!
lol, and it was a great post too.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2013, 11:17:45 PM »
When there's a like button, I can come back and like even though it was questioning a comparison that I made...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2013, 11:23:44 PM »
Our government and medical system isn't wasn't out to harm/kill the majority of us.
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pre obamacare :D

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2013, 11:31:33 PM »
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2013, 11:35:53 PM »
When they started school, on average, maybe not... The two ppl in the discussion have my vote that they are smarter than the average MD (by far)...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2013, 11:41:54 PM »
AKA, not smart enough to be a doctor
not true and insulting

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2013, 11:55:18 PM »
My link was to wikipedia, if you look into link it shows that avg scores of ppl that were accepted to MD and DO schools and MD scores are higher. I didn't want to argue the assumption that MD's were smarter ON AVERAGE before entering med school. You can fight that fight if you want, but there are many more damaging assumptions made on this thread, so I let it be...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2013, 12:02:26 AM »
FWIW my kid's pediatrician was just telling my wife that he doesn't understand why people in the frm community aren't taking the flu vaccine already.
Says he's already seen three of the potentially fatal strain in his office this season, and the virus hasn't really hit CA yet.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2013, 08:39:25 AM »
because our parents heard from their parents etc.
We all know that a story that is told over a thousand times does not change.  ;)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2013, 11:46:55 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2013, 12:29:39 PM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.
No.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #94 on: January 13, 2013, 02:58:24 PM »
We all know that a story that is told over a thousand times does not change.  ;)
It's printed in the Bible.  :)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2013, 01:30:17 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2013, 08:53:14 AM »
Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.

While I wish that were the case, somehow I don't think CPS would get involved

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2013, 09:29:40 AM »
Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.
While I wish that were the case, somehow I don't think CPS would get involved
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2013, 09:41:24 AM »
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/9-reasons-to-completely-ignore-joseph-mercola-and-natural-news/

Appreciate the link to some relevant info. Read the article and more importantly the comments... Apparently some highly educated ppl duel it out to some degree and both sides have some good points. For example, do babies in our community really need hepB vaccine as a baby? Has any study been done to show that the amount of aluminum given to young babies is safe in the long run? And the obvious point from the pro-vax side that studies show that vaccines indeed do help eradicate dangerous illnesses (so to not vaccinate at all = not a great plan either).

My conclusion at this point:
Vaccinate = good idea
Vaccinate at current schedule including all optional (aka, hepB to babies chicken pox and flu shot) = Do your own homework and while you're doing it check up on your vitamin D3 levels...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2013, 09:47:43 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

Ask him to check their vitamin D levels... This will add to discussion and help as we can compare more than just one factor...
If his kids are unhealthy and they didn't vaccinate then both sides of the story will say that they're asking for it... Child abuse for sure not, that would be the equivalent to calling for child abuse if someone feeds the kids a diet high in junk food.