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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
84 (37.2%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (2.2%)
No
137 (60.6%)

Total Members Voted: 225

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2013, 08:39:25 AM »
because our parents heard from their parents etc.
We all know that a story that is told over a thousand times does not change.  ;)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2013, 11:46:55 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #93 on: January 13, 2013, 12:29:39 PM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.
No.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #94 on: January 13, 2013, 02:58:24 PM »
We all know that a story that is told over a thousand times does not change.  ;)
It's printed in the Bible.  :)
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2013, 01:30:17 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2013, 08:53:14 AM »
Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.

While I wish that were the case, somehow I don't think CPS would get involved

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2013, 09:29:40 AM »
Yes. If he refused to vaccinate them, and it wasn't a case where the flu season came early before he had a chance to vaccinate them, then that is similar to putting them in a car without a car seat/seat belt.
While I wish that were the case, somehow I don't think CPS would get involved
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2013, 09:41:24 AM »
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/9-reasons-to-completely-ignore-joseph-mercola-and-natural-news/

Appreciate the link to some relevant info. Read the article and more importantly the comments... Apparently some highly educated ppl duel it out to some degree and both sides have some good points. For example, do babies in our community really need hepB vaccine as a baby? Has any study been done to show that the amount of aluminum given to young babies is safe in the long run? And the obvious point from the pro-vax side that studies show that vaccines indeed do help eradicate dangerous illnesses (so to not vaccinate at all = not a great plan either).

My conclusion at this point:
Vaccinate = good idea
Vaccinate at current schedule including all optional (aka, hepB to babies chicken pox and flu shot) = Do your own homework and while you're doing it check up on your vitamin D3 levels...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2013, 09:47:43 AM »
is it child abuse?
Just met a guy all three of his kids have been very ill for a week, high fever, throwing up etc with the flu because he refused to vaccinate them.

Ask him to check their vitamin D levels... This will add to discussion and help as we can compare more than just one factor...
If his kids are unhealthy and they didn't vaccinate then both sides of the story will say that they're asking for it... Child abuse for sure not, that would be the equivalent to calling for child abuse if someone feeds the kids a diet high in junk food.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2013, 09:59:53 AM »
... and while you're doing it check up on your vitamin D3 levels...
Ask him to check their vitamin D levels...
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There's a lot more to a healthy immune system than just vitamin D you know...
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2013, 10:41:17 AM »
Well aware, but I feel it's too much even to ask for the basic of basics. (We'll see if there is a response) Tafasta meruba lo tafasta...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2013, 12:11:51 PM »
I'm convinced. Getting jabbed right now.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2013, 12:12:34 PM »
I'm convinced. Getting jabbed right now.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2013, 12:46:21 PM »
Jab is free from school. I don't pay for what I can get free.