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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 544827 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #920 on: April 29, 2014, 05:38:42 PM »
Don't worry, it doesn't look like anyone is taking this illiterate seriously...
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I'll never be surprised by the ability of one man's voice to convince the masses-----unless we all speak up and
are counted.

It's an important topic for sure but it really should be discussed with one's MD to start.
The common ad line seen in today's media would apply here as well....If you see something , SAY SOMETHING!!

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #921 on: April 29, 2014, 05:50:44 PM »
His pathetic arguments (avrohom avinu etc etc etc) dont warrant a serious response.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #922 on: April 29, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »
His pathetic arguments (avrohom avinu etc etc etc) dont warrant a serious response.

I couldn't tell you, it all got lost between his spelling and grammar...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #923 on: April 29, 2014, 05:59:18 PM »
So when you lose , you resort to name calling etc. ?
Now who was name calling?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #924 on: April 29, 2014, 06:03:20 PM »
YOU calling me illiterate  :P
Should I go back and dig up all the names you have been throwing around?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #925 on: April 29, 2014, 06:28:14 PM »
Are you a PA ? we can get an MD MPH to debate you & show the facts !

Here is the holy saint who supposedly debunked the Autism myth, next time a little bit more homework whttp://www.google.com/#as_qdr=all&q=poul+thorsen+most+wanted

You remember seeing a patient die of meningococcal meningitis , & how about SIDS

Did your patient have hep b ? How many babies do you know that contracted hep from a drug addict or prostitute ?

Are going to push HPV/Gardasil on 9 year old "boys" for cervical cancer :D


So your  friends suffers from polio so do some of mine , how does that change the facts ?

http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

 Rav Shlomo fuerst  received smicha from reb Moshe & based on the fact disagrees
with you


I switched Doctors when he could not answer my questions & became offended  & angry that i don't have blind trust in his religion


If decide not to trust something-what gives the right to impose your thinking
on others? You're telling us you're right and we are wrong. OK.

So live your life and LEAVE US ALONE

Like I said-call up R' Reuven or R' Dovid  and obtain clarity-they ought to know, you think?

In NYS- on forms for sleepaway camps-there is a paragraph asking parents to sign a statement acknowledging the existence of meningococcal meningitis and that there is a vaccine that might prevent it.

Do you know why?
Because a child died while @ camp from that illness and the mother never knew there was a vaccine against it
And that parent wanted to alert all parents of something she didn't know. The form doesn't coerce a parent to vaccinate their child.  But to say no, could have life altering effects.

BTW-  A parent who suffers a loss from SIDS doesn't usually receive the clarity for cause and effect .
If you are familiar with that topic you should also  be aware of the program for children to sleep on their back and that has been proven to decrease the incidence of SIDS as well as the push to avoid babies from sleeping in their parents beds.
All this info is readily available plus a new study from Harvard in 2013 evaluating brain stem abnormalities as a possible cause.

 http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/baby/baby-health/sudden-infant-death-syndrome-possible-cause-discovered-in-new-study-20131204-2yptc.html
No matter all the theories----it's still a tragedy


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #926 on: April 29, 2014, 06:32:16 PM »
1. Where is your proof that vaccines have a medical benefit

2. Reb Moshe says "kol samei Horefuah" all medications including  but not limited to IV feeding, may have  side effects MD is not aware of

3. He says medication should preferably taken orally NOT injected due to issur "choveil"

1st you shoot from the hip , saying no such tshuvah. next  you misread it & accuse me of taking it out of context! what next ?

If you can't take heat get out of the kitchen :)

Sorry everyone for feeding the troll, but I get annoyed when people distort Torah...

1) How many people got (and died from) these diseases before the vaccines were around, and how many get them now?

2) In your earlier comment you quoted Rav Moshe as saying
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you must always assume that a medical procedure has side effects the Md is not aware of
Now you've changed to "may have side effects MD is not aware of"

Do you see the difference between those 2 statements?

3) What Rav Moshe writes is that one may not take any medication (even orally where the halacha of חובל does not apply) unless it is לרפואה!

I never said that no such תשובה existed, and until I learn the entire Igros Moshe by heart I won't. I just pointed out that anyone who is involved in learning would know that your reference was inadequate.

I think I've made it very clear who misread the תשובה.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #927 on: April 29, 2014, 06:38:24 PM »



I am a Board certified physician with over 20 yrs in practice.
 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #928 on: April 29, 2014, 06:49:10 PM »
You don't want to deal with name calling then give a coherent response as to how you see a connection between vaccines and mortality rates, unless you want to keep going in circles.
Like this one? Meanwhile they have been arvach arva tzarich. The numbers are for the specific vaccines. Before you say that something is simple math check that your numbers are the correct ones. To infer anything from these mortality rates is, at best, shaky.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #929 on: April 29, 2014, 06:54:11 PM »


I am a Board certified physician with over 20 yrs in practice.
 
Thank you for contributing, please don't waste your time with think twice, he speaks and argues like a forum troll.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #930 on: April 29, 2014, 07:25:25 PM »
I guess if you want to scare people off of vaccines you can Photoshop pictures of babies injecting poison, if you want to scare people INTO vaccinating all you have to do is post REAL pictures of children with meningitis, measles, rubella etc. etc.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #931 on: April 29, 2014, 07:52:56 PM »
I am a Board certified physician with over 20 yrs in practice.
...and we are to be believe you over someone who can pull up stats over the internet.  ;)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #932 on: April 29, 2014, 07:54:00 PM »
Thank you for contributing, please don't waste your time with think twice, he speaks and argues like a forum troll.
Trolls have te eat also.  :)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #933 on: April 29, 2014, 08:24:24 PM »
Trolls have te eat also.  :)
As long as they don't come near my milt's or venture out of JS I can live with it maybe.

But if someone believes the polio vaccine should have never been invented and distributed I don't think they deserve to share our air.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #934 on: April 29, 2014, 08:29:16 PM »
As long as they don't come near my milt's or venture out of JS I can live with it maybe.
Now I have a taste for some chili.  >:(
 
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #935 on: April 29, 2014, 08:42:43 PM »
As long as they don't come near my milt's or venture out of JS I can live with it maybe.

But if someone believes the polio vaccine should have never been invented and distributed I don't think they deserve to share our air.

I'm sorry for him if he just kept it to himself
but when he says it on a public forum, we have to call him out on that.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #936 on: April 29, 2014, 09:35:01 PM »
http://www.drpalevsky.com/about.asp this NYC MD understands that polio vaccine is based on hype

http://drsuzanne.net/dr-suzanne-humphries-vaccines-vaccination/

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

http://drtenpenny.com/

75 years ago some nation believed they had the right to decide who can share the air & who should be gassed to death

Shame on you  ::)

Great! Now that Godwin's Law has been evoked we can consider the discussion closed...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #937 on: April 29, 2014, 09:35:38 PM »
http://www.drpalevsky.com/about.asp this NYC MD understands that polio vaccine is based on hype

http://drsuzanne.net/dr-suzanne-humphries-vaccines-vaccination/

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

http://drtenpenny.com/

75 years ago some nation believed they had the right to decide who can share the air & who should be gassed to death

Shame on you  ::)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #938 on: April 29, 2014, 09:51:14 PM »
Great! Now that Godwin's Law has been evoked we can consider the discussion closed...

I was trying to remember the name of that law earlier when he played "find the connection" between herd and Nazi...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #939 on: April 29, 2014, 09:52:02 PM »
Did you bother to look at the Harvard study link?

You are looking for simple answers to difficult questions-there aren't any.

Good luck in finding your answers but don't bother us with your problems
on YOUR fishing expedition.

LO TETAIN MICHSHOL-you have a responsibility to prevent that-If you're not a trained professional,
then leave your quest to others who share your view but who are trained to understand the science

Yes- this is largest cover up since Area 51 (I'll let you decide)