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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
172 (59.5%)

Total Members Voted: 288

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 194203 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1905 on: January 28, 2018, 08:47:18 AM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1906 on: January 28, 2018, 08:50:45 AM »
This year?
Yes. Those are the numbers that have been communicated to hospital staff.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1907 on: January 28, 2018, 10:26:13 AM »
It's not worthless at all, and this comment shows the public's misunderstanding of vaccines. The flu vaccine is created and tweaked each year to include the most common virus's that are believed to be communicated that upcoming flu season. When there are outbreaks, high number of cases nationwide, etc., that indicates that viruses that weren't believed to pose the highest risk have spread and become more virulent than originally thought. Without the flu vaccine there would be exponentially more cases nationwide and would cause much more harm
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1908 on: January 28, 2018, 10:26:55 AM »
I hear the flu vaccine isn't doing such a good job this year. #fakenews?
Per CDC 30% effective.
#realnews
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1909 on: January 28, 2018, 10:57:39 AM »
It's not worthless at all, and this comment shows the public's misunderstanding of vaccines. The flu vaccine is created and tweaked each year to include the most common virus's that are believed to be communicated that upcoming flu season. When there are outbreaks, high number of cases nationwide, etc., that indicates that viruses that weren't believed to pose the highest risk have spread and become more virulent than originally thought. Without the flu vaccine there would be exponentially more cases nationwide and would cause much more harm
If the vaccine was only 30% effective, how would not having it this year cause "exponentially more cases"?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1910 on: January 28, 2018, 12:02:23 PM »
It's not worthless at all, and this comment shows the public's misunderstanding of vaccines. The flu vaccine is created and tweaked each year to include the most common virus's that are believed to be communicated that upcoming flu season. When there are outbreaks, high number of cases nationwide, etc., that indicates that viruses that weren't believed to pose the highest risk have spread and become more virulent than originally thought. Without the flu vaccine there would be exponentially more cases nationwide and would cause much more harm

It's basically worthless this year. All the above is speculation. It's like you're saying that without the measles vaccine, we'd all have measles this year. We might, but most years there wasn't a measles epidemic even before the measles vaccine

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1911 on: January 28, 2018, 12:09:29 PM »
It's basically worthless this year. All the above is speculation. It's like you're saying that without the measles vaccine, we'd all have measles this year. We might, but most years there wasn't a measles epidemic even before the measles vaccine
So you believe if no one received the vaccination there would be the same amounts of reported cases/deaths?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1912 on: January 28, 2018, 12:28:24 PM »
It's basically worthless this year. All the above is speculation. It's like you're saying that without the measles vaccine, we'd all have measles this year. We might, but most years there wasn't a measles epidemic even before the measles vaccine
Define epidemic.
 Mortality rate of measles was much higher than the flu.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1913 on: January 28, 2018, 12:32:44 PM »
So you believe if no one received the vaccination there would be the same amounts of reported cases/deaths?
So you believe.......


He is saying that in any specific year that was possible.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1914 on: January 28, 2018, 12:36:27 PM »
I'm just noting, as has been noted in every news source, that they messed up the vaccine this year, and it doesn't work.

Because they're not very good at their job.  If I messed up like that, I'd lose my job

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1915 on: January 28, 2018, 01:05:24 PM »
I'm just noting, as has been noted in every news source, that they messed up the vaccine this year, and it doesn't work.

Because they're not very good at their job.  If I messed up like that, I'd lose my job
Not sure what you mean it didnít work. What do you want 100%. Does the polio vaccine work?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1916 on: January 28, 2018, 01:09:54 PM »
Not sure what you mean it didnít work. What do you want 100%. Does the polio vaccine work?

This is not the politics thread.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1917 on: January 28, 2018, 01:12:08 PM »
This is not the politics thread.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1918 on: January 28, 2018, 02:16:15 PM »
Not sure what you mean it didnít work. What do you want 100%. Does the polio vaccine work?
It worked for 30% of the population that got it. Thats not great, but its not bad. Lifetime .300 hitters in baseball get into the HOF  ::)

Polio vaccine is almost 100% effective. AFAIK there is only one strain of polio. Influenza is constantly mutating.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1919 on: February 02, 2018, 03:34:01 AM »
So you believe if no one received the vaccination there would be the same amounts of reported cases/deaths?
Maybe there would be less cases