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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
172 (59.5%)

Total Members Voted: 288

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 194388 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1920 on: February 02, 2018, 07:21:25 AM »
Maybe there would be less cases
Maybe the sun wont come up tomorrow but don't bet on it.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1921 on: February 02, 2018, 07:23:02 AM »
Per CDC 30% effective.
For some strains only 10% effective.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1922 on: February 04, 2018, 09:50:21 AM »
Is basically worthless

I guess that explains why 85% of the kids who DIED from the flu this year were unvaccinated

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1923 on: February 04, 2018, 09:57:02 AM »
I guess that explains why 85% of the kids who DIED from the flu this year were unvaccinated
What if 100% of the kids were vaccinated? That would then mean the only kids that died from the flu were those that were vaccinated. We need to be careful with stats.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1924 on: February 04, 2018, 09:58:17 AM »
I guess that explains why 85% of the kids who DIED from the flu this year were unvaccinated

I'll bite.

Compared to what percentage of kids overall were vaccinated?

And how big is this sample size?

You can't just throw out raw data like that.  That's like proving that water causes cancer because everyone who gets cancer drank water.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1925 on: February 04, 2018, 10:15:03 AM »
I'll bite.

Compared to what percentage of kids overall were vaccinated?

And how big is this sample size?

You can't just throw out raw data like that.  That's like proving that water causes cancer because everyone who gets cancer drank water.
Not from this year (obviously), but here is a study showing that even when not effective in preventing contracting the flu, the vaccine will prevent death in 2/3 of cases. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2017/03/30/peds.2016-4244

Depending on the strain the vaccine ranges in effectiveness, but even 10% is better than 0%, especially seeing as the flu is so much worse this year.

What are the downsides of getting vaccinated?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1926 on: February 04, 2018, 10:28:40 AM »
I'll bite.

Compared to what percentage of kids overall were vaccinated?

And how big is this sample size?

You can't just throw out raw data like that.  That's like proving that water causes cancer because everyone who gets cancer drank water.
According to this, this year it's "just about" 80%.

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2018/02/02/flu-season-53-children-dead-cdc

The sample size is this year's dead children thus far.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1927 on: February 04, 2018, 10:30:10 AM »

What are the downsides of getting vaccinated?


Autism...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1928 on: February 04, 2018, 10:33:20 AM »
Autism...
But he's already getting that from the other vaccines he got.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1929 on: February 04, 2018, 10:35:40 AM »
I'll bite.

Compared to what percentage of kids overall were vaccinated?
I don't understand your question.

That's like proving that water causes cancer because everyone who gets cancer drank water.
If people who didn't drink water were only 15% of those that died from cancer that would be very convincing

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1930 on: February 04, 2018, 11:08:50 AM »
I don't understand your question.
If people who didn't drink water were only 15% of those that died from cancer that would be very convincing

Unless 15 percent of all ppl didn't drink water. Then it would be meaningless

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1931 on: February 04, 2018, 11:09:58 AM »
Unless 15 percent of all ppl didn't drink water. Then it would be meaningless
And if fewer than 15 percent don't drink water them it means that not drinking is hurtful.


What percentage of children get the flu shot?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1932 on: February 04, 2018, 11:16:27 AM »
According to this, this year it's "just about" 80%.

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2018/02/02/flu-season-53-children-dead-cdc


It says just about 80% of children who died didn't get the vaccine. I don't see where it says what percentage of kids overall get the vaccine. If it's the same percentage, then the stat shows nothing (actually, would show there is no effect).

The sample size is this year's dead children thus far.

The reason the sample size is relevant, is that if I tell you I flipped a quarter once and got heads, and that proves that the quarter always lands on heads, that would be idiotic, right?  The subject being about dead children doesn't change the science of it. 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1933 on: February 04, 2018, 11:16:44 AM »
And if fewer than 15 percent don't drink water them it means that not drinking is hurtful.


What percentage of children get the flu shot?

no idea.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1934 on: February 04, 2018, 11:19:17 AM »
no idea.
I would be shocked if it is anywhere close to 85 percent.

ETA
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/coverage-1617estimates.htm
Last year was under 60 percent.
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