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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 191317 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1965 on: March 08, 2018, 02:44:06 PM »
Parents of retarded children. Nebach. We should never know the pain of a retarded child... But it doesn't give them the right to hurt everyone else.
It's a lack of emuna.

People have a natural inability to accept that their child is not perfect. So they created a hoax to make them feel better.

My kid is normal, the Dr damaged him.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1966 on: March 08, 2018, 02:54:26 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1967 on: March 08, 2018, 03:00:43 PM »
Dear Friends,
B’siyata D’shmaya we have formed The Vaccine Coalition, a Coalition of Non-Vaccinating Parents in Lakewood, New Jersey.
This coalition was founded by R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a, R’ Shmuel Meir Katz shlit”a and R’ Refael Szmerla shlit”a, and it aims to address the current pressing issue of schools rejecting or dismissing non-vaccinated children. It will also be available to help non-vaccinating parents in Lakewood in any area we feel we can, as well as to provide support of ‘strength in numbers’ to pro-vaccine choice Lakewood families.
This coalition depends on a collective voice and will not be launched until we reach a minimum of 250 families. If you live in Lakewood and have made a decision not to vaccinate your children, we encourage you to please take a few moments to sign up to join the coalition, for your benefit, and for the benefit of all other Lakewood families like yourselves.
 By joining the coalition you agree to have your name and personal information added to our private database. Your information will never be released to a third party without your permission. If the coalition should find it absolutely necessary to release your name in the course of assisting it's members you may receive an email requesting your permission.  Any such instance will be authorized by the Rosh Hayeshiva R’ Malkiel Kotler shlit”a beforehand.
The success of this endeavor is contingent on enlisting as many non-vaccinating families as possible. Please take the time to reach out to your friends and family who don’t vaccinate and encourage them to join.

To join, please visit www.vaccinecoalition.org. Alternatively you can join by emailing vaccinecoalition@gmail.com or call/ text 732-806-7739

Rabbi Szmerla put out a book justifying the halachic basis for Kinesiology, dowsing, energy fields etc. Talmidim of Rav Belsky Z”L recently put out a Sefer of his well know pesakim assuring these techniques. Many who originally gave hashkafos to Rabbi Szmerlas Sefer later retracted. It’s ironic to see people dismissing proven science to put their faith and hishtadlus into disproven techniques..

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1308773/alternative-medicine-halacha-review.html

https://www.google.com/amp/www.5tjt.com/alternative-medicine-the-sefer/amp/



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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1968 on: March 08, 2018, 03:22:45 PM »
Parents of retarded children. Nebach. We should never know the pain of a retarded child... But it doesn't give them the right to hurt everyone else.
It's a lack of bitachon.

People have a natural inability to accept that their child is not perfect. So they created a hoax to make them feel better.

My kid is normal, the Dr damaged him.
FTFY
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1969 on: March 08, 2018, 04:47:09 PM »
It's ironic all the people that hate visiting traditional doctors are in the the alternative doctors office all the time and always need crazy cocktails of alternative meds. They're always sick and always taking medicine when regular families rarely go to the doctor or take medicine.
IME.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1970 on: March 08, 2018, 07:58:59 PM »
According to our religion it's prohibited to immunize, why? well there are no two people with the same reasoning, the health inspector laughs his head off when he reads all interesting pshetlech how the Torah prohibits immunization.

unfortunately I heard of one that had home birth didn't vaccinize and they nebach lost their child a few months later.

While I believe that everyone should vaccinate I think they should educate the parents why and when the children should take the vaccines, for example here in new York the health department has rules from what age you can take the shot and how many days between one shot and the other in order to be recognized as a valid shot, not all doctors follow the guidelines and you child needs to take the same shot again.

The health department guidelines that regulate the schools differ then the guidelines from headstart turns out that headstart makes you take shots that the health dep doesn't recognize.

If you take shot x at the age x you only need 2 doses otherwise 4, why shouldn't the parents know more about the subject? Everyone follows blindly what the dr says, Each of my children have taken shots that the health department has invalidated, why poke your kids for nothing?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1971 on: March 08, 2018, 08:12:37 PM »



If in fact they are behind this, it's hard not to lose some respect.
Yes we can still respect their Torah related teachings, but a Rov should be trusted for other issues as well.
(I speak for myself).
I agree


Parents of retarded children. Nebach. We should never know the pain of a retarded child... But it doesn't give them the right to hurt everyone else.
It's a lack of emuna.

People have a natural inability to accept that their child is not perfect. So they created a hoax to make them feel better.

My kid is normal, the Dr damaged him.

you can say that with a little more sensitivity

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1972 on: March 08, 2018, 10:51:33 PM »
you can say that with a little more sensitivity
I don't think there's a lack of sensitivity in his post. It's the unfortunate truth.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1973 on: March 08, 2018, 10:53:26 PM »
I don't think there's a lack of sensitivity in his post. It's the unfortunate truth.
To someone not yet being radical (as banning vaccines, because their kid is sick), you definitely could say it more sensitively, but at this point, that may be the only way
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1974 on: March 08, 2018, 11:09:40 PM »
I agree


you can say that with a little more sensitivity
I know it's harsh. But being pc about it will not being out the truth.

These nebach parents are trying to sway public opinion. If they are not properly called out so the that everyone understands where the meshugas comes from, the results can be bad.

Virtually all of the militant antivaxers have a kid somewhere on the spectrum...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1975 on: March 08, 2018, 11:11:08 PM »
I know it's harsh. But being pc about it will not being out the truth.

These nebach parents are trying to sway public opinion. If they are not properly called out so the that everyone understands where the meshugas comes from, the results can be bad.

Virtually all of the militant antivaxers have a kid somewhere on the spectrum...
I for the most part stand corrected
To someone not yet being radical (as banning vaccines, because their kid is sick), you definitely could say it more sensitively, but at this point, that may be the only way

Still a little unsure.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1976 on: March 08, 2018, 11:21:12 PM »
Interesting how the DDF crowd which tends to be somewhat more worldly and educated seems to skew pro vaccination, while the antis tend to be more insulated, and less educated in the secular sense. Same crowd that snaps up all the high priced vitamin cocktails that are marketed with the pictures of the kids with the cute Peyos....

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1977 on: March 08, 2018, 11:40:31 PM »
Interesting how the DDF crowd which tends to be somewhat more worldly and educated seems to skew pro vaccination, while the antis tend to be more insulated, and less educated in the secular sense. Same crowd that snaps up all the high priced vitamin cocktails that are marketed with the pictures of the kids with the cute Peyos....
Do you mean to imply that only anti vaxxers take vitamins?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1978 on: March 08, 2018, 11:47:37 PM »
Interesting how the DDF crowd which tends to be somewhat more worldly and educated seems to skew pro vaccination, while the antis tend to be more insulated, and less educated in the secular sense. Same crowd that snaps up all the high priced vitamin cocktails that are marketed with the pictures of the kids with the cute Peyos....
In the secular world the anti-vaxers have a higher education level than average. Me thinks you're leaping a bit there.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1979 on: March 08, 2018, 11:55:51 PM »
I agree


you can say that with a little more sensitivity
-1.  You must say it as it is. The dangers of some of the sicknesses coming back is to scary for us to be politically correct