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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 190314 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1980 on: March 09, 2018, 12:14:14 AM »
I want to point out, as I have to many anti vaxxers, that none of these rabbonim have actually signed anything saying not to vaccinate. The closest they got was saying schools have to accept unvaccinated kids.
Does this coalition have something in writing signed by Rav Malkiel or Reb Shmuel? Or rabbi Katz?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1981 on: March 09, 2018, 12:18:03 AM »
In the secular world the anti-vaxers have a higher education level than average. Me thinks you're leaping a bit there.
I have a friend who's a mechanic, he says that educated people and heimeshe people have this need to do things for their car, but really, with modern cars, there is nothing to do.
Same here, educated people want to do something more than everyone else and so do frummies.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1982 on: March 09, 2018, 01:08:18 AM »
Do you mean to imply that only anti vaxxers take vitamins?
No, Iím referring to this sort of thing

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1983 on: March 09, 2018, 01:26:18 AM »
No, Iím referring to this sort of thing
Seems like you mean alternative medicine types. As mentioned earlier, I'm not sure you're right about "less educated" ppl leaning towards that type of thing more than "educated" ppl

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1984 on: March 09, 2018, 07:15:44 AM »
No, Iím referring to this sort of thing


Adderall works also

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1985 on: March 09, 2018, 08:08:23 AM »

Adderall works also
Sure, if you love Autism...

Can't believe Henche would suggest using a drug produced by big Pharma
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1986 on: March 10, 2018, 09:13:34 PM »
I see it looks like the Lakewood doctors are mobilizing against the anti vax wackos. Some event Tuesday night to dispel myths and fake research.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1987 on: March 10, 2018, 10:20:01 PM »
I see it looks like the Lakewood doctors are mobilizing against the anti vax wackos. Some event Tuesday night to dispel myths and fake research.
Not going to help until Dr eilenberg retires and moves to Florida

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1988 on: March 11, 2018, 08:18:15 PM »
Not going to help until Dr eilenberg retires and moves to Florida

I used to be part of his practice (Dr. Gittleman now) and my kids got all their vaccines. He will give it but you have to really push him.

I was once at a Lakewood Chiropractor who was "excited and proud" to tell me that Lakewood Rabbonim said not to use her because of her anti-vaccine opinions. I asked her that if those Rabbonim said not to eat in a certain restaurant would she eat there... She said No and I walked out.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1989 on: March 11, 2018, 10:37:30 PM »
How about an Anti-Assisted Birth movement. Hashem wants us to give birth like the nashim tzidkanios did in mitzrayim. Itís mefurash a Rashi. Women should give birth on their own on the privacy of their homes, not in a hospital assisted by an OB; they are all just in it for the money- the whole system, from the ultrasound companies, to the prenatal vitamin producers, to the formula companies, to the OBís and hospitals are all in cahoots to make millions by providing unnecessary healthcare. Studies show that hospitals are full of dangerous germs and there are hundreds of lawsuits that proved that doctors have actually harmed babies during delivery, in some cases resulting in severe brain damage. Vinishmartem meíod lenafshoseichem means it is positively a mitzvah to stop harming our precious children by using the money-hungry healthcare machine. Besides, kol kevudah bas melech penimah.

Thereís a reason why our great-grandmothers didnít have such a pevalence of autism and so many other diagnoses. Our babies werenít meant to undergo the trauma of a medically assisted birth! Let us reconnect with our precious mesorah of self delivery that we tragically abandoned in favor of the corrupt medical system!

Now, to find some signatories.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1990 on: March 11, 2018, 11:43:34 PM »
I want to point out, as I have to many anti vaxxers, that none of these rabbonim have actually signed anything saying not to vaccinate. The closest they got was saying schools have to accept unvaccinated kids.
Does this coalition have something in writing signed by Rav Malkiel or Reb Shmuel? Or rabbi Katz?
no.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1991 on: March 12, 2018, 12:00:34 AM »
no.
And there's a reason why. That's all.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1992 on: March 12, 2018, 12:18:52 AM »
How about an Anti-Assisted Birth movement. Hashem wants us to give birth like the nashim tzidkanios did in mitzrayim. Itís mefurash a Rashi. Women should give birth on their own on the privacy of their homes, not in a hospital assisted by an OB; they are all just in it for the money- the whole system, from the ultrasound companies, to the prenatal vitamin producers, to the formula companies, to the OBís and hospitals are all in cahoots to make millions by providing unnecessary healthcare. Studies show that hospitals are full of dangerous germs and there are hundreds of lawsuits that proved that doctors have actually harmed babies during delivery, in some cases resulting in severe brain damage. Vinishmartem meíod lenafshoseichem means it is positively a mitzvah to stop harming our precious children by using the money-hungry healthcare machine. Besides, kol kevudah bas melech penimah.

Thereís a reason why our great-grandmothers didnít have such a pevalence of autism and so many other diagnoses. Our babies werenít meant to undergo the trauma of a medically assisted birth! Let us reconnect with our precious mesorah of self delivery that we tragically abandoned in favor of the corrupt medical system!

Now, to find some signatories.

Poe's law in action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1993 on: March 12, 2018, 12:26:12 AM »
Poe's law in action

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Anyone who would take it at face value is clearly beyond help...

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #1994 on: March 12, 2018, 07:51:56 AM »
How about an Anti-Assisted Birth movement. Hashem wants us to give birth like the nashim tzidkanios did in mitzrayim. Itís mefurash a Rashi. Women should give birth on their own on the privacy of their homes, not in a hospital assisted by an OB; they are all just in it for the money- the whole system, from the ultrasound companies, to the prenatal vitamin producers, to the formula companies, to the OBís and hospitals are all in cahoots to make millions by providing unnecessary healthcare. Studies show that hospitals are full of dangerous germs and there are hundreds of lawsuits that proved that doctors have actually harmed babies during delivery, in some cases resulting in severe brain damage. Vinishmartem meíod lenafshoseichem means it is positively a mitzvah to stop harming our precious children by using the money-hungry healthcare machine. Besides, kol kevudah bas melech penimah.

Thereís a reason why our great-grandmothers didnít have such a pevalence of autism and so many other diagnoses. Our babies werenít meant to undergo the trauma of a medically assisted birth! Let us reconnect with our precious mesorah of self delivery that we tragically abandoned in favor of the corrupt medical system!

Now, to find some signatories.
Not sure if you are serious or not, but this movement would be much closer to "gram retzicha" than the vaccines.

I've spent a couple of weeks in a NICU.. The quantities of frum babies that if born at home, like in the third world countries, that would be dead is astounding.

That's a lot of dead bodies. How perversive and careless.

Plenty of mom's go into distress also. These are not rare occasions.