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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2190 on: November 11, 2018, 11:13:53 AM »
Including Dr Eilenberg
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Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2192 on: November 11, 2018, 11:18:19 AM »


Also, the fact that there has been a rise if parents in the Jewish communities getting the vaccine all of a sudden leads me to believe that there are people who are either -A. just straight out irresponsible on being on top of things or B. Were potentially on the fence about vaccines and now started getting scared.

Or maybe they were straight up anti vaccine folks who started getting scared? 
It's stam interesting who all those people are.
The reason so many people are getting the vaccine now is because of the outbreak they pushed up the schedule. My 2 yo got his 2nd dose even though normally he wouldn't get it till 4 yo
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2193 on: November 11, 2018, 11:34:04 AM »
The reason so many people are getting the vaccine now is because of the outbreak they pushed up the schedule. My 2 yo got his 2nd dose even though normally he wouldn't get it till 4 yo

Ah, got it.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2194 on: November 11, 2018, 12:00:19 PM »
Is there a specific area that you think has not been sufficiently researched? From my limited knowledge, it seems like there is a ton of research and it all has shown that vaccines are generally safe


Lots of things are generally safe.


Right off the bat I'm concerned about what metals in your body do to you long term-  (and not just with vaccines- with all products with various metals-  ) and I'd like more research done as to the best way and ages to administer these vaccines - and ultimately I'd just like transparency in the benefits as well as the side effects on your body when taking vaccines especially at such a young age and the changes it makes to your immune system.
 
         Nothing is without some side effect.  That's not a question. And generally we try to make the best decision about anything that goes into our bodies.  And when you put something into your body you're basically saying the benefits outweigh the risks or are worth the side effects.

That's with anything whether it be an Advil, blood pressure medicine, antibiotics, the flu shot, etc . 


Also and this is just a side note- because you asked-  I do have concerns over some of the vaccines specifically. Like the HPV virus for example.
        I don't know enough. But I feel like I should have the right to ask. That's all.

And I ultimately believe that most people still choose to give most vaccines even if they had more information.



What boggles my mind the most is those that don't even know what they are vaccinating for.  Even if you trust the doctor, don't you ask? Just for knowledge sake.  What's this shot for... etc . I just feel like when your 2 year old is getting over 20 vaccines by that age it seems odd to not even ask.

The same way if you were in the hospital and your kid was getting treatment for something you'd ask. What's this? What's it for? What's it do..etc.   


I really think those on both sides of the extreme have made it hard to have discussions about these things.

But if you're lucky you find a good doctor that is respectful and knowledgeable and answers to the best of their ability.


 
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2195 on: November 11, 2018, 12:14:49 PM »

I really think those on both sides of the extreme have made it hard to have discussions about these things.

This.

The antivaxxers have created a situation where doctors are afraid of their words being twisted by those with an agenda.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2196 on: November 11, 2018, 12:18:01 PM »

Lots of things are generally safe.


Right off the bat I'm concerned about what metals in your body do to you long term-  (and not just with vaccines- with all products with various metals-  ) and I'd like more research done as to the best way and ages to administer these vaccines - and ultimately I'd just like transparency in the benefits as well as the side effects on your body when taking vaccines especially at such a young age and the changes it makes to your immune system.
 
         Nothing is without some side effect.  That's not a question. And generally we try to make the best decision about anything that goes into our bodies.  And when you put something into your body you're basically saying the benefits outweigh the risks or are worth the side effects.

That's with anything whether it be an Advil, blood pressure medicine, antibiotics, the flu shot, etc . 


Also and this is just a side note- because you asked-  I do have concerns over some of the vaccines specifically. Like the HPV virus for example.
        I don't know enough. But I feel like I should have the right to ask. That's all.

And I ultimately believe that most people still choose to give most vaccines even if they had more information.



What boggles my mind the most is those that don't even know what they are vaccinating for.  Even if you trust the doctor, don't you ask? Just for knowledge sake.  What's this shot for... etc . I just feel like when your 2 year old is getting over 20 vaccines by that age it seems odd to not even ask.

The same way if you were in the hospital and your kid was getting treatment for something you'd ask. What's this? What's it for? What's it do..etc.   


I really think those on both sides of the extreme have made it hard to have discussions about these things.

But if you're lucky you find a good doctor that is respectful and knowledgeable and answers to the best of their ability.
Here's a good start to hear about the dangers and side effects.

https://www.gimletmedia.com/science-vs/vaccines-are-they-safe#episode-player

Sadly, the rate of children who go "otd" is far higher than the rate of children who suffer even mild side effects. Risking your daughter getting hpv in the future because you are frum now is questionable practice.

Some parents do skip some vaccinations, such as chicken pox. And I understand that - growing up, everyone I knew got chicken pox at some stage. It was annoying, but far from dangerous. Little did I know that some people have died from chicken pox, and my sister in law came pretty close, though BH ended up ok. My kids will get the vaccine, thankyewverymuch

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2197 on: November 11, 2018, 01:01:10 PM »
Are all vaccines the same?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2198 on: November 11, 2018, 01:15:44 PM »
The reason so many people are getting the vaccine now is because of the outbreak they pushed up the schedule. My 2 yo got his 2nd dose even though normally he wouldn't get it till 4 yo

I gave 3 shots in chemed last week
2 second dose
1 1st as every time I went to give shots dr didn't want to give as she/he had a runny nose, cold etc.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2199 on: November 11, 2018, 08:52:31 PM »
Not 100% sure what you mean by this but no. They aren't.
The question wasn't really directed at you.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2200 on: November 11, 2018, 08:54:04 PM »
The question wasn't really directed at you.
Lol.

Oh ok.


I must have missed something.

Who was it geared for? Or was it davka not geared towards me because of my opinions so far?
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« Reply #2201 on: November 11, 2018, 08:58:59 PM »
Lol.

Oh ok.


I must have missed something.

Who was it geared for? Or was it davka not geared towards me because of my opinions so far?
It was for anyone who hasn't already expressed their opinion one way or another.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2202 on: November 11, 2018, 09:29:54 PM »
Got it. And I understand the concept.

 But I just have a hard time believing that *all* those parents are sending their kids to school still because they davka want their kid to get measles.     

But maybe I'm wrong. Who knows.
Sorry, I think I missed your point. Anti Vax parents send their kids to school during an outbreak because A) they don't believe measles is all that bad. B) they don't believe vaccinations work anyway. C) why not? Not like they worked out the math on the risk/reward and are adjusting based on the current outbreaks or lack thereof
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2203 on: November 11, 2018, 09:33:00 PM »
Sorry, I think I missed your point. Anti Vax parents send their kids to school during an outbreak because A) they don't believe measles is all that bad. B) they don't believe vaccinations work anyway. C) why not? Not like they worked out the math on the risk/reward and are adjusting based on the current outbreaks or lack thereof
Add to that what I heard from a parent last week that a) who says it's really measles, it's probably misdiagnosed, and b) measles is easily treated with a lot of vitamin C. I kid you not

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« Reply #2204 on: November 11, 2018, 09:34:46 PM »
Add to that what I heard from a parent last week that a) who says it's really measles, it's probably misdiagnosed, and b) measles is easily treated with a lot of vitamin C. I kid you not
*All* the cases are misdiagnosed? Like the hundreds in Israel, Brooklyn, Lakewood and Rockland County?
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