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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 170026 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2250 on: November 16, 2018, 03:14:53 PM »
Hebrew Academy of CLE just banned all unvaccinated kids unless there's a bona-fide medical reason that they can't be vaccinated, in which case they won't be able to attend school during any outbreaks.

I've heard some local parents are taking steps to sue one of the local schools where I live which I personally find ridiculous.  The fighting has gotten so out of hand. People just like to get on the bandwagon and argue in my opinion.
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2251 on: November 16, 2018, 03:47:19 PM »
Does this count?

https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/205615/prominent-orthodox-rabbi-condemns-vaccines-as-a-ho/

It's an old article, so it is possible that his view has changed.

We discussed that ad nauseum. But I don't find that article very credible. If he really thinks that, and is willing to say so to a newspaper, why has he never put anything in writing, and why haven't I heard of other people who called him and confirmed

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2252 on: November 17, 2018, 08:24:40 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2253 on: November 17, 2018, 08:27:13 PM »
I've heard some local parents are taking steps to sue one of the local schools where I live which I personally find ridiculous.  The fighting has gotten so out of hand. People just like to get on the bandwagon and argue in my opinion.
At least in Lakewood, school defense is well funded by Rich Roberts

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2254 on: November 17, 2018, 10:04:17 PM »
Does this count?

https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/205615/prominent-orthodox-rabbi-condemns-vaccines-as-a-ho/

It's an old article, so it is possible that his view has changed.
No. It's very old and unsubstantiated. He won't sign anything anti, which if he was he would

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2255 on: November 17, 2018, 11:11:35 PM »
No. It's very old and unsubstantiated. He won't sign anything anti, which if he was he would

There is a letter going around signed by him and (along with several others) that says that "an individual who has done his research has the obligation to act according to his knowledge. If his research has led him to believe that the risks of vaccines are greater than its benefits, and particularly when his view is supported by many medical doctors and researchers, the commandment of ונשמרתם מאוד לנפשותיכם obligates him to shield his children from vaccines"

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2256 on: November 17, 2018, 11:18:32 PM »
There is a letter going around signed by him and (along with several others) that says that "an individual who has done his research has the obligation to act according to his knowledge. If his research has led him to believe that the risks of vaccines are greater than its benefits, and particularly when his view is supported by many medical doctors and researchers, the commandment of ונשמרתם מאוד לנפשותיכם obligates him to shield his children from vaccines"
This letter has been around for at least a few years, and was directed to schools that they can't turn down unvaccinated kids. Not that one should not vaccinate, but that you have the right to make that decision.
All this may have changed in light of current events

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2257 on: November 18, 2018, 07:25:40 AM »
This letter has been around for at least a few years, and was directed to schools that they can't turn down unvaccinated kids. Not that one should not vaccinate, but that you have the right to make that decision.
All this may have changed in light of current events

That may have been the intent, but that's not what the letter says. The part that I quoted explicitly says that someone who's own research leads them to believe that vaccines are dangerous is obligated not to vaccinate.

Dovid Lichtenstein of the "Headlines" radio show said he asked all of the Rabbonim who ssigned to come on to explain, and none of them agreed. He also claims that at least one of the signatures are fake.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2258 on: November 19, 2018, 04:57:51 PM »
He also claims that at least one of the signatures are fake.
That's no surprise, unfortunately most public letters from rabbanim have fake signatures, most commonly it's done by having them sign on one thing, and then changing the letter.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2259 on: November 19, 2018, 05:33:54 PM »
Hebrew Academy of CLE just banned all unvaccinated kids unless there's a bona-fide medical reason that they can't be vaccinated, in which case they won't be able to attend school during any outbreaks.

1. Good for them
2. I don't think this is that big of a debate out of town. The OOT yeshivish/chasidish communities have far fewer extremist views IMO.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2261 on: November 19, 2018, 06:53:23 PM »
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2262 on: November 19, 2018, 07:40:43 PM »
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What does that mean in plain english?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2263 on: November 19, 2018, 07:52:30 PM »
What does that mean in plain english?
Everyone should be vaccinated

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2264 on: November 19, 2018, 09:36:10 PM »
What does that mean in plain english?
Gather the children together and they should leave vaccinated.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.