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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
185 (60.7%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 257116 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2415 on: November 29, 2018, 04:24:01 PM »
If the news reports are to be believed that hundreds of people recently gave in and vaccinated their children, than clearly many anti vaxxers are not like this.  The anti vaxxers I know would never give in and in fact been encouraged and given chizzuk  by their rabbanim that it's better to keep their children home from school.
The reason why so many vaccines were given is because they are giving them much earlier than normally recommended. My 2yo got his second MMR that he normally would not have gotten till 4yo.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2416 on: November 29, 2018, 04:28:57 PM »
I am surprised Dr Wertzberger's results regarding the HepA vaccine aren't even mentioned here. I remember hepatitis being fairly common and dangerous but now much more rare. that can't be attributed to better sanitation between 1990 and now. He actually did a double blind in Monroe.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2417 on: November 29, 2018, 05:00:58 PM »
Thiomersal was actually removed from almost all children's vaccines, besides for some flu shots, as a precautionary measure because of the mercury in it.
I don't think it was done as a precautionary measure but rather as a (futile, in the end) attempt to placate the anti vaxxers.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2418 on: November 29, 2018, 05:01:36 PM »
I don't think it was done as a precautionary measure but rather as a (futile, in the end) attempt to placate the anti vaxxers.
You're wrong
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2419 on: November 29, 2018, 05:03:01 PM »
You're wrong
I don't think it was done as a precautionary measure but rather as a (futile, in the end) attempt to placate the anti vaxxers.
Source?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2420 on: November 29, 2018, 05:03:23 PM »
I am surprised Dr Wertzberger's results regarding the HepA vaccine aren't even mentioned here. I remember hepatitis being fairly common and dangerous but now much more rare. that can't be attributed to better sanitation between 1990 and now. He actually did a double blind in Monroe.

Really? Documented? Link?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2421 on: November 29, 2018, 05:03:59 PM »
Source?
Read the Wikipedia article to start
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2422 on: November 29, 2018, 05:10:14 PM »
Source?

Quote from: Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal
the World Health Organization has concluded that there is no evidence of toxicity from thiomersal in vaccines and no reason on safety grounds to change to more expensive single-dose administration.[18] The United Nations Environment Program backed away from an earlier proposal of adding thiomersal in vaccines to the list of banned compounds in a treaty aimed at reducing exposure to mercury worldwide.[19] Citing medical and scientific consensus that thiomersal in vaccines posed no safety issues, but that eliminating the preservative in multi-dose vaccines, primarily used in developing countries, will lead to high cost and a requirement for refrigeration which the developing countries can ill afford, the UN's final decision is to exclude thiomersal from the treaty.[20]

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2423 on: November 29, 2018, 05:12:55 PM »
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Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is eliminated from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[23]

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2424 on: November 29, 2018, 05:16:09 PM »
+1. Went straight to the article and I see the opposite of what mmgfarb claimed. This is a common thread in these kinds of discussions.
You're totally misrepresenting what I said. All I said was that the mercury concern was the reason it was removed, not whether or not that concern ended up being valid or not.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2425 on: November 29, 2018, 05:19:35 PM »
You're totally misrepresenting what I said. All I said was that the mercury concern was the reason it was removed, not whether or not that concern ended up being valid or not.
Roll the tape:
Right, but then they'll scream mercury and show you a study that it's dangerous without noticing that the amount of mercury is so small that there is no danger
Thiomersal was actually removed from almost all children's vaccines, besides for some flu shots, as a precautionary measure because of the mercury in it.
The implication of your comment in context was that it is in fact dangerous. The fact that it was once thought to potentially be dangerous (because it hadn't been studied yet at the time and because of the perceived similarity to other kinds of mercury) has no bearing on this discussion today.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2426 on: December 02, 2018, 07:20:43 AM »
Really? Documented? Link?
Go on the website of New England Journal of Medicine and check the archives. There’s an article in the August 13, 1992 edition about the double-blind study with Dr. Werzberger as the leading author.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2427 on: December 02, 2018, 07:26:47 AM »
Go on the website of New England Journal of Medicine and check the archives. There’s an article in the August 13, 1992 edition about the double-blind study with Dr. Werzberger as the leading author.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199208133270702

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2429 on: December 02, 2018, 08:37:17 PM »
I cannot vouch if this is real or fake news.

Former ny state senator died (maybe) from a flu vaccine
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2018/11/new-york-state-senator-jose-peralta-was-diagnosed-as-having-died-of-sepsis/