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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
121 (37.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.6%)
No
196 (60.9%)

Total Members Voted: 320

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 544436 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2460 on: December 06, 2018, 01:05:44 PM »
Like what?
Actually just reread it again, it does seem like a decent approach. There’s just too much propaganda she doesn’t address, but what she does address she does a good job at.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2461 on: December 06, 2018, 01:06:42 PM »
Actually just reread it again, it does seem like a decent approach. There’s just too much propaganda she doesn’t address, but what she does address she does a good job at.
You're started to get real nitpicky here  ::)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2462 on: December 06, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2463 on: December 06, 2018, 01:31:06 PM »
This is the article we're discussing btw
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/are-vaccine-advocates-telling-the-whole-truth/2018/12/05/
That was the first intelligent and rational piece that I've read on the subject of dealing with anti-vaxxers...
Actually just reread it again, it does seem like a decent approach. There’s just too much propaganda she doesn’t address, but what she does address she does a good job at.
She doesn't really lay out her whole position. And I'm sure he'll have what to say in response regarding some of the 'when vaccines have sometimes been bad' parts of her article.

Bottom line, the things she does outline (how to handle MMR, TDap, and Flu vaccines) are certainly not quack concepts. But it can certainly fuel and reinforce the quacks.

ETA: Removed some stuff that I'm not sure I want left on here. She doesn't give Hep B, chicken pox, flu vaccines generally speaking. That's not to say she never will if requested, or if circumstances dictate that its more important for certain individual scenarios, but she doesn't generally advocate for giving them in most scenarios the way other doctors probably do.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2464 on: December 06, 2018, 02:20:03 PM »
Why should someone from our community get the hep b vaccine?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2465 on: December 06, 2018, 02:45:19 PM »
Why should someone from our community get the hep b vaccine?
1 question, do people from "our community" do things they aren't supposed to do or do they ever go off the derech?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2466 on: December 06, 2018, 02:46:44 PM »
Why should someone from our community get the hep b vaccine?
First of all, to get into school apparently ;). Second of all, I think this has been discussed regarding HPV or some other vaccine in this thread already, but what happens if your kid goes OTD and/or gets addicted to drugs?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2467 on: December 06, 2018, 02:49:02 PM »
Probably very easily since it will most likely be an allergic reaction which runs in families.
Exemption is usually for immune system issues, not allergies
Why should someone from our community get the hep b vaccine?
That's a hashkafic question. This is a medical thread. But it's been a huge political issue in Israel, I think

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2468 on: December 06, 2018, 03:29:47 PM »
This is the article we're discussing btw
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/are-vaccine-advocates-telling-the-whole-truth/2018/12/05/
So I just went back and read through the article she was responding to, and I'm confused as to why she wrote this article as a response to his specific issues/points in the prior article.
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But when you tout all vaccines for all people, and claim there are no side effects, they know that can’t be true, so they don’t believe anything you tell them.
None of these claims appear in his article. This is the closest he gets:
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All strongly urge and support appropriate universal vaccination against the major childhood potentially fatal illness that are preventable. It is downright dishonest to officially declare that Jewish law forbids vaccination, which is the only way in some states to avoid mandatory state vaccination laws.
This basically means MMR and TDaP, which she herself says she administers to her patients ("But every single one of my patients has had his or her measles vaccine."). He's writing against the anti-vaxxers - ie the growing group of people who refuse to vaccinate at all because of various conspiracies, and who are essentially responsible for the recent outbreaks. Doesn't seem like they're on the same page here.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2469 on: December 06, 2018, 04:50:44 PM »
Why should someone from our community get the hep b vaccine?

Maybe the risk of infection by exposure to blood is higher that and risk from the vaccine?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2470 on: December 07, 2018, 10:21:49 AM »
I have no idea who wrote this. To be sung to the tune of Dreidel Dreidel Dreidel)


I have a little Yingel
With rash and eye discharge
I thought that it was nothing
But my doctor made it large

He said your kid has measles
Why didn't you give shots?
I told him it's baloney
An evil doctors' plot

Measles, measles, measles
I will not immunize
So what if my neighbors' kids
All have pus in their eyes

My son was exposed to measles
They said don't send to school
I just put him on the bus
Do they think I'm a fool?

Board of Health says no school
Not one of them is Frum
I just sent him anyway
How dare you say it's Krum!

Chorus: Measles, measles, measles...

They said immunize your kids
I answer with contempt
Don't bother me with that Shtus
I'm religiously exempt

I sent the school a health form
I said he's immunized
When they have an outbreak
They sure will be surprised

Chorus: Measles, measles, measles...

I just don't get some people
Who are religious weasels
Who use their "quote" Frumkeit
To immunize for measles

I want to visit Bubby
Why should I go alone?
I'll take my little tzadik
And expose the nursing home

Chorus: Measles, measles, measles...

Sit down at the table
The family will eat hearty
As you spread your measles
At the family Chanukah party

Now all the kids are dead
And Bubby's gone too
I don't know why
I'm just a good Jew

Chorus: Measles, measles, measles...
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2474 on: December 26, 2018, 03:07:56 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2476 on: December 29, 2018, 10:22:30 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1652356/big-carma-a-bunch-of-liars-and-ganavim.html

here is a huge group called Big Carma.  These are the car-manufacturers that claim that we should be changing our brake pads every two to three years.  This is a big lie designed by Big Carma in order to make money. Do not believe Big Carma.  Their recommendations are all lies Brake pads should never be changed because changed brake pads kill people.

Big Carma tells the world that there are warning signs to watch out for – when supposedly the brake pads are going.

there is a huge group called Big Carma.  These are the car-manufacturers that claim that we should be changing our brake pads every two to three years.  This is a big lie designed by Big Carma in order to make money. Do not believe Big Carma.  Their recommendations are all lies Brake pads should never be changed because changed brake pads kill people.

Big Carma tells the world that there are warning signs to watch out for – when supposedly the brake pads are going.

  • Longer stopping distances
  • Low brake fluid—your brakes are worn out or you have a leak
  • Excessive brake pedal travel, with the pedal going almost to the floor before brakes engage
  • Brake pedal feels “soft” or “spongy” underfoot
  • Vehicle pulls to one side while braking
  • Pulsation or vibration through brake pedal or steering wheel while braking
  • Tendency for one or more wheels to lock up and skid while braking
  • Groaning, screeching, squealing, or grinding sound while braking

These are all lies.  We all grew up with cars that had longer stopping distance.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2477 on: January 07, 2019, 07:42:33 PM »
To be taken with the usual YWN grain of salt

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2478 on: January 08, 2019, 11:17:57 AM »
To be taken with the usual YWN grain of salt

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