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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
184 (60.5%)

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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 253532 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2476 on: December 29, 2018, 10:22:30 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1652356/big-carma-a-bunch-of-liars-and-ganavim.html

here is a huge group called Big Carma.  These are the car-manufacturers that claim that we should be changing our brake pads every two to three years.  This is a big lie designed by Big Carma in order to make money. Do not believe Big Carma.  Their recommendations are all lies Brake pads should never be changed because changed brake pads kill people.

Big Carma tells the world that there are warning signs to watch out for – when supposedly the brake pads are going.

there is a huge group called Big Carma.  These are the car-manufacturers that claim that we should be changing our brake pads every two to three years.  This is a big lie designed by Big Carma in order to make money. Do not believe Big Carma.  Their recommendations are all lies Brake pads should never be changed because changed brake pads kill people.

Big Carma tells the world that there are warning signs to watch out for – when supposedly the brake pads are going.

  • Longer stopping distances
  • Low brake fluid—your brakes are worn out or you have a leak
  • Excessive brake pedal travel, with the pedal going almost to the floor before brakes engage
  • Brake pedal feels “soft” or “spongy” underfoot
  • Vehicle pulls to one side while braking
  • Pulsation or vibration through brake pedal or steering wheel while braking
  • Tendency for one or more wheels to lock up and skid while braking
  • Groaning, screeching, squealing, or grinding sound while braking

These are all lies.  We all grew up with cars that had longer stopping distance.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2477 on: January 07, 2019, 07:42:33 PM »
To be taken with the usual YWN grain of salt

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2478 on: January 08, 2019, 11:17:57 AM »
To be taken with the usual YWN grain of salt

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2480 on: March 06, 2019, 07:28:21 AM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/another-study-finds-no-link-between-autism-measles-mumps-rubella-n979176

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Children with autistic siblings were more than seven times more likely to be diagnosed with autism than kids without this family history, the study found.

Boys were four times more likely to be diagnosed with autism than girls, the study found.

And, children who had no childhood vaccinations were 17 percent more likely to be diagnosed with autism than kids who did get recommended vaccinations.


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2481 on: March 06, 2019, 09:30:34 AM »
Anti vaxxers already have their answer to this study, look around. The last statistic shows nothing because parents that have others children with autism ( which means that child is genetically predisposed to having autism) or if the child is showing early signs of autism are less likely to give the vaccine. That statement is misleading.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2482 on: March 06, 2019, 09:55:43 AM »
Anti vaxxers already have their answer to this study, look around. The last statistic shows nothing because parents that have others children with autism ( which means that child is genetically predisposed to having autism) or if the child is showing early signs of autism are less likely to give the vaccine. That statement is misleading.
But how did they get autism if they didn't get vaccines? I don't think their answer holds up statistically. I guess that hasn't stopped them before.
Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2483 on: March 06, 2019, 01:00:10 PM »
But how did they get autism if they didn't get vaccines? I don't think their answer holds up statistically. I guess that hasn't stopped them before.
You'd have to see the numbers to see if that's true or not. Either way I think it's ridiculous to say that vaccines have anything to do with autism, whether that be causing it or preventing it.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2484 on: March 06, 2019, 01:03:31 PM »
You'd have to see the numbers to see if that's true or not. Either way I think it's ridiculous to say that vaccines have anything to do with autism, whether that be causing it or preventing it.

It may be that a certain type of parenting which among other things involves not vaccinating also leads to higher risk of autism.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2485 on: March 06, 2019, 05:39:26 PM »
It may be that a certain type of parenting which among other things involves not vaccinating also leads to higher risk of autism.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2486 on: March 06, 2019, 07:02:34 PM »
It may be that a certain type of parenting which among other things involves not vaccinating also leads to higher risk of autism.
Uh, that makes no sense.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2487 on: March 07, 2019, 03:39:48 AM »
Uh, that makes no sense.

Can you elaborate?

Do you know what causes autism?

Researchers believe that it is a combination of genetic predisposition and environmental triggers.  No one knows what those environmental triggers are.  Parents have a huge role in determining their children's environment.  A possible explanation of a correlation between not vaccinating and autism is that a typical non-vaccinating parent will do many other things that make their child's environment different from most other children's, a vegan diet for example, or home schooling. 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2488 on: March 10, 2019, 02:22:16 PM »
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Watch out. Capitol Hill and Silicon Valley have locked their sights on the next targets of a frightening free speech-squelching purge: independent citizens who dare to raise questions online about the safety and efficacy of vaccines.

I'm vaccinated. My children are up to date. There's no dispute that vaccines have saved untold lives. But over the years, I've voiced my concerns about vaccine claims and government coercion in my newspaper columns and blog posts. These concerns include my objections to Gardasil mandates for schoolchildren in Texas and California; schools' threatening parents with jail time for refusing chickenpox shots for their kids; ineffectiveness of the flu vaccine; contamination issues at vaccine plants abroad; lack of data on vaccines' long-term and synergistic effects on children; and pharma-funded politicians' financial conflicts of interest.

Does this informed skepticism make me and other like-minded parents public health menaces, as the World Health Organization has proclaimed? Are we "sociopaths," as a journalist at The Atlantic once sneered? Apparently so.

At a Senate hearing on Tuesday, Washington state's public health secretary, John Wiesman, demanded that the feds launch a national campaign to counter "anti-vaccine" groups that are spreading what he condemned as "false information." Weisman called for increased funding from the Centers for Disease Control to combat opponents of the state's push to prevent parents from opting their children out of immunizations for personal or philosophical reasons. Health officials have blamed vaccine critics' social media influence for recent measles outbreaks. So Wiesman further urged Twitter, Facebook and Google to "use whatever mechanism they have available to stop promoting pseudoscience."

Let's be clear: Misinformation of all kinds abounds on the internet. The world's most influential "mainstream" media websites and celebrity social media accounts, for example, recklessly fanned the flames of the recent Covington Catholic High School and Jussie Smollett hate crime hoaxes. No one in Washington has called for the boycott of The Washington Post or TMZ over their false and misleading stories. But for some reason (hint: pharmaceutical big business), politicians and government bureaucrats are now hell-bent on deplatforming any and all dissenters who challenge mandatory vaccine regimens.

Under pressure from Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., Amazon pulled the documentaries "Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe," "Man Made Epidemic" and "Shoot 'em Up: The Truth About Vaccines" from its Prime Video streaming service. Last week, Google-owned YouTube moved to demonetize "anti-vaccine" channels, tweak algorithms to suppress vaccine "conspiracy" videos and combat "vaccine hesitancy." Pinterest blocks users from using the search terms "vaccine," "vaccinations" and "anti-vax," no matter the quality of the results. Facebook plans to downgrade vaccine skeptics' content on newsfeeds, recommended user groups and ads.

Is there junk science on the "anti-vaccine" side? Sure. But you can't address this issue without also addressing the problem with physicians and public health flacks who are unwilling to discuss the full risks of vaccines as well as their benefits; pro-vaccination groups that provide incorrect information about vaccines' duration of protection; physicians who refuse to care for children who are not "fully" vaccinated; and the comparative risk-benefit ratios of different vaccines.

As for efficacy, consider this new data: A recent whooping cough outbreak at the private Harvard-Westlake School in Los Angeles last week resulted in 30 students contracting the illness, all of whom were vaccinated. Of 18 unvaccinated students, none caught the disease. Will pointing this out on my Facebook and Twitter accounts bring down the Silicon Valley ban hammer?

 Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who happens to be a physician and parent himself, was the lone voice of dissent at the Senate hearing this week. While acknowledging that the benefits of vaccines generally outweigh their risks, he noted the plain truth that "it is wrong to say there are no risks to vaccines." He added that over $4 billion has been paid by the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for adults and children who have been injured or died as a result of receiving federally recommended childhood vaccines.

Is it unacceptable fearmongering to raise that point? How about to share information on vaccine manufacturers' astonishing exemption from product liability? Or to point parents to new research findings on brain injuries caused by vaccines, which can be found at VaccinePapers.org? Or to link them to a recent statement by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which "strongly opposes federal interference in medical decisions, including mandated vaccines."

When it comes to protecting our children, skepticism is always the best medicine. We need more free speech, not less. Those who seek to suppress debate and discussion in the name of the "public good" are the true health threats.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44452/malkin-vaccine-skeptics-under-siege-michelle-malkin

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