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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.6%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
173 (59.7%)

Total Members Voted: 289

Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 196881 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2731 on: May 16, 2019, 09:34:36 AM »
Unless you're accusing thousands of people of forging docs, it's still in the 95% range even if some are fake.
What isn't being accounted for is let's assume the 96% number is correct, that 4% can be spread across 3 small communities or schools, and while the whole flatbush and boro park may vaccinate if a school in crown heights or williamsburg has lower than the herd immunity threshold, then yes frum jews could be to blame for the current outbreak... Also to mention that they can visit orthodox communities out of the country that can spread it to these communities as well.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2732 on: May 17, 2019, 08:30:06 AM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2733 on: May 17, 2019, 12:57:54 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2734 on: May 21, 2019, 03:33:31 PM »

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2735 on: May 22, 2019, 08:56:16 PM »
The enourmess chilul hashem is one thing.

Rav kaminetzky may be a gadol and that's exactly why he has no excuse..

You are making a huge mistake. If He is correct that one should not vaccinate(I am not getting into the debate on if He is right or wrong) then it is not a chilul hashem no matter how much the public decries it.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2736 on: May 22, 2019, 10:03:48 PM »
Since when are Rabbeim not allowed to have a difference of opinion from one another? 
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2737 on: May 22, 2019, 10:24:06 PM »
You are making a huge mistake. If He is correct that one should not vaccinate(I am not getting into the debate on if He is right or wrong) then it is not a chilul hashem no matter how much the public decries it.
So you're saying that rabanim can't make a chilel hashem, no matter what they do???
I'm going crazy, wanna come along?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2738 on: May 22, 2019, 10:53:10 PM »
So you're saying that rabanim can't make a chilel hashem, no matter what they do???

No, he's saying that doing the right thing is not a chilul hashem (no matter how many people think it's not the right thing)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2739 on: May 22, 2019, 11:05:59 PM »
You are making a huge mistake. If He is correct that one should not vaccinate(I am not getting into the debate on if He is right or wrong) then it is not a chilul hashem no matter how much the public decries it.
The implication of your statement is that if he is not correct, then it is a chillul Hashem, no? ETA: Which, to be clear, I don't think is true.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2740 on: May 23, 2019, 01:09:41 PM »
If Rabbonim go out of their lane and take extreme views on public health policy that are rejected by over 99% of the medical (and rabbinic) community, and the crisis is such that it endangers lives of tens of thousands of people, then yes, they can make a Chillul Hashem.


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2741 on: May 26, 2019, 01:39:42 PM »
The implication of your statement is that if he is not correct, then it is a chillul Hashem, no? ETA: Which, to be clear, I don't think is true.

If he made a mistake in Psak which caused a chilul Hashem.

So L'Fi you its impossible to make a chilul Hashem as a posek?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2742 on: May 26, 2019, 02:06:24 PM »
You are making a huge mistake. If He is correct that one should not vaccinate(I am not getting into the debate on if He is right or wrong) then it is not a chilul hashem no matter how much the public decries it.

First off he is wrong. Not because I said so but because the medical establishment says so .

Perhaps you'd argue that a gadol knows more than shmutzik goyishe doctor's and can't possibly be wrong.. I'd go pound sand if that was your logic .

The argument was that his opinions personally become public psak din.. generally speaking there are many who follow in the March and stride of their gedolim and consider whatever they say to be the law.


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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2743 on: May 26, 2019, 02:10:22 PM »
First off he is wrong. Not because I said so but because the medical establishment says so .

Perhaps you'd argue that a gadol knows more than shmutzik goyishe doctor's and can't possibly be wrong.. I'd go pound sand if that was your logic .

The argument was that his opinions personally become public psak din.. generally speaking there are many who follow in the March and stride of their gedolim and consider whatever they say to be the law.

Did you read a single word I wrote?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2744 on: May 27, 2019, 03:27:19 AM »
Did you read a single word I wrote?

Yeah so what. He's wrong and the entire medical establishment says so