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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

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Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 194155 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2745 on: May 27, 2019, 06:18:34 AM »
Yeah so what. He's wrong and the entire medical establishment says so
Was Copernicus wrong when he said that the Earth revolved around the Sun?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2746 on: May 27, 2019, 06:31:26 AM »
Was Copernicus wrong when he said that the Earth revolved around the Sun?

No.  What does that have to do with this discussion?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2747 on: May 27, 2019, 09:27:28 AM »
No.  What does that have to do with this discussion?
Think a little bit.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2748 on: May 27, 2019, 10:34:17 AM »
Think a little bit.

If he meant to compare the consensus that the Sun revolved around the Earth to the consensus that vaccines don't cause autism that is a ridiculous comparison. 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2749 on: May 27, 2019, 11:05:41 AM »
If he meant to compare the consensus that the Sun revolved around the Earth to the consensus that vaccines don't cause autism that is a ridiculous comparison.
He meant that just because the medical establishment says something doesn't make it a fact.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2750 on: May 27, 2019, 11:30:18 AM »
He meant that just because the medical establishment says something doesn't make it a fact.
there is a difference between scientific theories and proven medical facts
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2751 on: May 27, 2019, 11:43:32 AM »
there is a difference between scientific theories and proven medical facts
I was just explaining what he meant to say.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2752 on: May 27, 2019, 11:43:58 AM »
there is a difference between scientific theories and proven medical facts
Lol
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2753 on: May 27, 2019, 11:45:23 AM »
there is a difference between scientific theories and proven medical facts

Not really. You'll notice that when debunking the anti-vaxxers, anyone with a bit of scientific knowledge says "there is no evidence that vaccines cause x" (which is as close as science can get to saying "vaccines don't cause x")

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2754 on: May 27, 2019, 11:51:30 AM »
Not really. You'll notice that when debunking the anti-vaxxers, anyone with a bit of scientific knowledge says "there is no evidence that vaccines do not cause x" (which is as close as science can get to saying "vaccines don't cause x")
FTFY
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2755 on: May 27, 2019, 12:01:55 PM »
"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2756 on: May 27, 2019, 12:24:26 PM »
 The difference is in the standards of proof.  In the 1200's there were very limited tools available to prove one way or the other.

It is impossible to prove conclusively that vaccines don't cause autism but the tools available today to evaluate whether or not vaccines cause autism enable us to say with a very high level of confidence that vaccines don't cause autism.  Is it possible? Sure.  It is also possible that artificial lighting or the air quality in cities or cosmic radiation  or proximity to stray cats cause autism.  There is just no indication that any of them do.  We can also say with a high level of confidence that when you don't vaccinate, you are at higher risk of getting the disease and of being adversely affected by the effects of the disease.

Reason states that if we can say with high confidence that an action has great benefit and can also say with high confidence that it has no great risk, the right thing to do is to take the action.  Anti vaxxers agree.  They just believe in full blown conspiracies that cover up evidence that vaccines cause autism.
So no, there is no useful comparison to Copernicus. 

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2757 on: May 27, 2019, 12:33:06 PM »
Was Copernicus wrong when he said that the Earth revolved around the Sun?
Yes. But that should probably be a new thread.
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« Reply #2758 on: May 27, 2019, 12:50:55 PM »
The difference is in the standards of proof.  In the 1200's there were very limited tools available to prove one way or the other.

It is impossible to prove conclusively that vaccines don't cause autism but the tools available today to evaluate whether or not vaccines cause autism enable us to say with a very high level of confidence that vaccines don't cause autism.  Is it possible? Sure.  It is also possible that artificial lighting or the air quality in cities or cosmic radiation  or proximity to stray cats cause autism.  There is just no indication that any of them do.  We can also say with a high level of confidence that when you don't vaccinate, you are at higher risk of getting the disease and of being adversely affected by the effects of the disease.

Reason states that if we can say with high confidence that an action has great benefit and can also say with high confidence that it has no great risk, the right thing to do is to take the action.  Anti vaxxers agree.  They just believe in full blown conspiracies that cover up evidence that vaccines cause autism.
So no, there is no useful comparison to Copernicus.
Who said anything about vaccines causing autism?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #2759 on: May 27, 2019, 01:26:08 PM »
Yes. But that should probably be a new thread.
(covers eyes) was wondering who would get this conversation started.