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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3100 on: May 20, 2024, 08:04:13 PM »
There's a lack of family doctors in Canada. It's only gotten worse since covid.
Yup. Big problem here.
Socialized medicine
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3101 on: May 20, 2024, 08:05:15 PM »
Can we blame the sudden drop on covid vaccine shenanigans?
Sure but is it the cause?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3102 on: May 20, 2024, 08:09:34 PM »
Socialized medicine
I've heard this before in regards to how long it takes to get an appointment by a doctor.
I have regular insurance and it can take me months to see a doctor. So I don't buy it too much that our system is that much better.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3103 on: May 20, 2024, 08:12:50 PM »
I've heard this before in regards to how long it takes to get an appointment by a doctor.
I have regular insurance and it can take me months to see a doctor. So I don't buy it too much that our system is that much better.
Depends what doctor you’re referring to. I never had a problem getting a fast appointment with my primary care physician whereas in Canada or Britain it can take months.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3104 on: May 20, 2024, 08:16:29 PM »
I've heard this before in regards to how long it takes to get an appointment by a doctor.
I have regular insurance and it can take me months to see a doctor. So I don't buy it too much that our system is that much better.
From what I hear,  it's X-Rays that are the killer. Here, it can be easily done same day.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3105 on: May 20, 2024, 08:16:38 PM »
Depends what doctor you’re referring to. I never had a problem getting a fast appointment with my primary care physician whereas in Canada or Britain it can take months.
Are there walk in urgent care centers like they have here?
(I heard about this waiting time in the UK)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3106 on: May 20, 2024, 09:54:41 PM »
Sure but is it the cause?
I'm sure in 50 years from now there will be many studies and books written about how more people died/lived in the years following COVID than ever died from COVID because of XYZ factor.

I assume one factor will be how many parents got turned off of vaccines, period.

Another may be the advancement from mRNA vaccines to combat a variety of illnesses.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3107 on: May 20, 2024, 10:54:55 PM »
I'm sure in 50 years from now there will be many studies and books written about how more people died/lived in the years following COVID than ever died from COVID because of XYZ factor.

I assume one factor will be how many parents got turned off of vaccines, period.

Another may be the advancement from mRNA vaccines to combat a variety of illnesses.
Some might be from actually getting the vaccine.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3108 on: May 21, 2024, 06:49:45 AM »
I'm sure in 50 years from now there will be many studies and books written about how more people died/lived in the years following COVID than ever died from COVID because of XYZ factor.

I assume one factor will be how many parents got turned off of vaccines, period.

Another may be the advancement from mRNA vaccines to combat a variety of illnesses.
The problem with the vaccine and Covid in general is it was politicized. That is never a good a thing. Everything gets skewed one way or the other.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3109 on: May 21, 2024, 07:43:52 AM »
The problem with the vaccine and Covid in general is it was politicized. That is never a good a thing. Everything gets skewed one way or the other.

The thing is, we laymen  predicted this would happen right on here on DDF. That the public health officials had their heads so far up their own collective tuchi is what is infuriating

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3110 on: May 21, 2024, 07:49:49 AM »
The thing is, we laymen  predicted this would happen right on here on DDF. That the public health officials had their heads so far up their own collective tuchi is what is infuriating
You talking about the vaccine?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3111 on: May 21, 2024, 07:50:38 AM »
You talking about the vaccine?
Covid vaccine and Covid in general, like you said

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3112 on: May 21, 2024, 07:53:31 AM »
Covid vaccine and Covid in general, like you said
Not going to get into Covid in general as we are past that.
The vaccine didn't/doesn't work?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3113 on: May 21, 2024, 08:06:03 AM »
Not going to get into Covid in general as we are past that.
The vaccine didn't/doesn't work?
We've had the discussion elsewhere. Numerous times. "It works" is too broad a phrase, there are numerous issues with how the vaccine was pushed and lied about, especially in regard to children. You imply it was politics that made people anti vax, but it was also politics that made officials mandate a rushed vaccine for kids who weren't in danger, and justified mandating a vaccine that didn't stop the spread of covid to stop the spread of covid. Among other issues.






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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3114 on: May 21, 2024, 08:14:18 AM »
We've had the discussion elsewhere. Numerous times. "It works" is too broad a phrase, there are numerous issues with how the vaccine was pushed and lied about, especially in regard to children. You imply it was politics that made people anti vax, but it was also politics that made officials mandate a rushed vaccine for kids who weren't in danger, and justified mandating a vaccine that didn't stop the spread of covid to stop the spread of covid. Among other issues.
I am not disputing how it was pushed or what you considered lied about. We are past all this.
So let's look at it this way with the information we now have. Is the vaccine a net positive?
I think you would agree the measles vaccine is a net positive?

ETA: If parents decide to put their kids at risk by not getting other vaccines because the way covid was handled then that is pure ignorance. 
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3115 on: May 21, 2024, 09:00:35 AM »
We are past all this.
This isn't true. Many pediatricians still push the COVID vaccine HARD for kids.

ETA: If parents decide to put their kids at risk by not getting other vaccines because the way covid was handled then that is pure ignorance.
We are dealing with an ignorant population, so that isn't surprising.

The medical profession was revered for decades maybe even centuries, but now... COVID gave it the biggest hit I can ever remember in my lifetime.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3116 on: May 21, 2024, 09:17:21 AM »
This isn't true. Many pediatricians still push the COVID vaccine HARD for kids.
So does my doctor. What is the +/- to get the vaccine?
The medical profession was revered for decades maybe even centuries, but now... COVID gave it the biggest hit I can ever remember in my lifetime.
Politics. Do you trust your doctor less because of Covid? I just went through prostate cancer and Covid never entered my mind on deciding on what treatment.

Would still like to hear the views if the Covid vaccine is a net positive?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3117 on: May 21, 2024, 09:45:39 AM »
Would still like to hear the views if the Covid vaccine is a net positive?
for who?

First start with your risk factor for covid. If it is high (elderly immunocompromised etc.) then the potential side effects are outweighed by the potential risk of dyeing of covid.

If you are a kid (not immunocompromised) (low risk factor) there is no benefit to outweigh the risks.

If used responsibly it is a net positive.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3118 on: May 21, 2024, 09:50:50 AM »
for who?
Overall for the country.

There was a massive drop in hospitalizations and deaths since they introduced the vaccine?
I look at the vaccine as the top reason for that but not the only one. How about you (anyone)?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3119 on: May 21, 2024, 09:56:20 AM »
Overall for the country.

There was a massive drop in hospitalizations and deaths since they introduced the vaccine?
I look at the vaccine as the top reason for that but not the only one. How about you (anyone)?
i agree.

However they should still be used responsibly.